Poppycock. NATO is a defensive alliance. The only people that should fear the expansion of NATO are those that are bent on hostile actions against other countries.
None of the other non-NATO but formally Soviet Union countries are attacking Ukraine over the fear of a NATO expansion.
Sorry I can only rec your post once, buynhold!
Facts are pesky things for those who deal in propaganda!
Cheers!
Murph
Did the President let the cat out of the bag?
During the interview, which aired Sunday morning, Biden defended his administration for sending cluster munitions to Ukraine as a âtransition periodâ until more munitions are produced.
âThis is a war relating to munitions. And theyâre running out of that ammunition, and weâre low on it,â Biden told CNNâs Fareed Zakaria. âAnd so, what I finally did, I took the recommendation of the Defense Department to â not permanently â but to allow for this transition period while we get more 155 weapons, these shells, for the Ukrainians.â
âJoe Biden wasnât supposed to say the quiet part out loud: âWeâve run out of ammunition.â But now that the catâs out of the bag, one must ask whether continued support of Ukraineâs military is even feasible as the conflict rages on,â political commentator Ian Miles Cheong remarked.
âThe point of the proxy war was to weaken Russia,â tech entrepreneur David Sacks tweeted. âBut the U.S. ran out of ammo first. So whoâs weakening whom?â
The White House seems to confirm that statement.
The White House official also defended the administration green-lighting cluster munitions for Ukraine, saying they wanted to make sure Ukraine is not âleft defenseless.â
âWe are authorizing cluster munitions to ensure that Ukraine is not left defenseless while we wait for our own domestic production of ammunition to ramp up substantially, which we are in the process of doing as are our allies and partners,â the official added.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky recently cited alleged intelligence to announce that Russia was âtechnically ready to provoke a local explosionâ at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, which has been controlled by Russian forces since March last year.
Zelenskyâs claim was uncritically broadcast in headlines from American news outlets like Reuters, the Guardian, New York Post, ABC and Newsweek, as well as foreign outlets like Al Jazeera, the Independent, the Australian Financial Review and the Jerusalem Post.
Thatâs despite International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Rafael Grossi saying on June 29 that he âdidnât see that kind of development,â referring to Zelenskyâs claims that Moscow was planning an attack, when he and his team recently inspected the plant. Only two of the above outlets â ABC and Newsweek â bothered to mention Grossiâs remarks in their reports, many paragraphs in.
The Western press, government officials and other prominent voices have to be far more circumspect around reporting on claims from Ukrainian officials, particularly should another incident in the fog of war threaten to widen the conflict.
The Main Stream Media previously reported on the âlight at the end of the tunnelâ during the Vietnam & Afghanistan Wars. You may remember those war ended in the defeat of US military & US aims & goals. To say nothing about the defeat of the US aims in Libya & Syria also.
I donât blame you for changing the subject from your previous postâs poppycock propaganda. 
Many Democrats in Congress have already spoken out against the presidentâs decision. An amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) stopping the transfer has already been introduced by Reps. Sara Jacobs (D-Calif.) and Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.).
Meanwhile, on Friday, Rep. Chrissy Houlahan (D-Penn.), co-chair of the Unexploded Ordnance and Demining Caucus, said, âvictory cannot come at the expense of our American values and thus democracy itself.â Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) was emphatic: âCluster bombs should never be used. Thatâs crossing a line.â
Nineteen House progressives, including Lee, issued a joint statement attacking the decision: âThe White Houseâs announcement runs counter to Congressâs restrictions on the transfer of these weapons and severely undermines our moral leadership.â Rep. Betty McCollum (D-Minn.), the ranking member of the defense appropriations subcommittee, said. âThe decision by the Biden administration to transfer cluster munitions to Ukraine is unnecessary and a terrible mistake.â
The Biden administration has enjoyed broad support for its Ukraine policy among Democrats in Congress, but this decision has created the most significant and potentially damaging rift to date.
The presidentâs decision to transfer cluster munitions has also exposed a rift with some major European allies on the eve of NATOâs Vilnius summit. The German, Spanish, and British governments were quick to state their opposition to the move, and British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak emphasized that the U.K. would not follow the U.S. lead in this instance.
Come on! You can do better than posting this biased political nonsense.
We have known about low ammo for MONTHS.
And who the $#(#$( cares what Ian Miles Cheong thinks?!?!? Nobody but uninformed partisans.
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/ian-miles-cheong-malaysia/
Known best for his commentary on Twitter, Cheong has made a name for himself in right-wing circles by frequently weighing in on U.S. politics.
Long before his foray into U.S. domestic issues, Cheong was best known for his work as a gaming journalist and for his role as an influential moderator on Reddit.
Hardly secret information!
Yes it does and it will win a war with Russia.
But Ukraine is limited to fighting Russia with one arm tied behind its back!
If Ukraine could only inflict the same damage to Russian infrastructure: dams, oil & gas facilities, power plants, air fields, railroads, bridges, and more.
Exactly right. I heard the same justification, by other government officials on either the BBC or Amanpour, when asked about issuing cluster ammo, the day the story broke. The same reply: we are giving them cluster ammo, because we are running low on everything else.
So, why the shock and horror at the POTUS saying the same thing others have, for a week or more, and calling it spilling the beans on âsecretâ information?..except, maybe to deflect attention from another military secrets case?
Steve
Promised to the Soviet Union, a state that no longer exists. Aside from that, that whole line of reasoning is codswallop.
Putin said straight up that Ukraine has no right to exist as an independent state. Heâs made it clear in speeches and writings that he wants to reconstitute the Russian Empire. To that end, heâs invaded Chechnya, Georgia, and Ukraine (twice).
And now I think about it, there might be some truth the the NATO story. If Russiaâs neighbors belong to NATO it would be harder to invade them.
So it sounds like they need some help. Maybe some cluster bombs will balance things out a bit.
Given the Pentagon budget, Iâm going to guess they only have lebenty-scillion-27-zillion left in the stockpile, down from lebenty-scillion-29-zillion. I acknowledge I donât have access to confidential material, but I can math.
Over the years Iâve noticed this is a common tactic with Fox News and like-minded outlets. They come up with a big reveal that is favorable to their point of view that they claim MSM isnât telling you, except that the MSM has already been reporting in detail on that very issue. But Fox News viewers donât about that because they donât consume mainstream media. So it seems like Fox is coming up with a big scoop when all they are really doing is spinning existing news.
Is that how they are spinning it on Fox News now?
In 1968 Walter Cronkite did an editorial on the Vietnam War, stating the war was unwinnable, which broke public support for the war.
You might recall also the Pentagon Papers, where the NYT reported the US government had been lying its rump off about the war.
Not quite.
Military planners do not expect long warsâthey canât be sold to the public or to Congress. So, they ALL plan for 2-6 month (week?) wars, which do not require massive amounts of ongoing military production.
Ammunition production has been a problem for the general public, never mind the military. Shortages of ammunition is essentially universal. There used to be a manufacturing plant for military munitions in this area (metro Twin Cities suburb). It was closed ~40 yrs ago and the site (Superfund cleanup required) finally made it to market. Several nibbles but nobody really interested in it.
Nobody in US military planning expected, or even anticipated, massive numbers of artillery shells being used every day. However, nobody looked at how Russia conducts its warsâand that is part of their strategy. Which means you either do the same to them OR take out their artillery. The US chose to not permit Ukraine to attack and destroy Russian artillery, which means it is a very lopsided battle.
Yep. And I am the guy that began posting about it 10 months ago.
January of 2023 Main Stream Media had stories about the US to increase 6 fold.
April of 2023 the media report that 155mm artillery were being drawn from US military stocks as the promised increased production hasnât occurred.
Also last April the S Koreans LENT us 500,000 rounds of 155mm rounds. I am sure those are long ago fired.
Last month the Germans reported that they only have 20,000 artillery rounds left. No more help from them.
So far US & EU industrial might has proved wanting.
And now members of the presidentâs political party is question his decision of cluster bombs and so are some NATO members.
The Ukraine counter offensive so far has been lack luster. I believe a significant reason is that Russia controls the skies. US & NATO were slow to agree to allowing F-16s to be shipped to Ukraine. [May 2023]
And Ukrainian pilot training has not yet started. Plenty of articles on that.
Then why post propaganda ten months later claiming it was something new?
I donât watch Fox News or MSNBC.
Are you claiming US interventions have resulted in victories?
I find it amusing what you believe the government is telling the truth about and what are lies and propaganda.
Well the president finally fesses up.
The US & EU has failed to produce the munitions necessary & slow to deliver necessary equipment.
There has been a lot of propaganda in the lead up to the Ukraine War and the progress of that war. I am always amazed at the pap people will swallow.
And the US will never allow that as it very well leads to nuclear war. Better for US interests to continue to bleed the Russians. This war will wreck the Ukrainian and Russian societies & economies hastening their demographic decline.
And all it costs our nation is some equipment & munition which our defense industry will benefit from eventually if production ever ramps up and a several hundred thousands of dead Ukrainians. What a deal!
First things first, you cited a Fox News article. So I assumed you were onboard with Fox as news source. Note the sources they consulted for the article werenât actually experts who knew anything, they were just a couple of randos on Twitter. That should have been a big red flag for you. At least, it was a big red flag for me.
Next, if you want to know what Iâm saying, there is no need for you to create a stupid straw man. Instead you can simply read what I wrote. Much easier for all involved.
I said your claim that the MSM âpreviously reported on the âlight at the end of the tunnelââ in Vietnam is objectively false. And I gave specific examples from the MSM demonstrating why your claim is false. I mean, Walter Cronkite was the most trusted man in America at the time.
Iâm sure you can find a rando on Twitter that disagrees with me.
Iâm glad you are amused, but I never said anything of the sort. So again, I donât think your stupid strawman arguments are beneficial in advancing your point of view. Maybe, Iâm wrong.