Totally OT: DH has a serious problem

Please forgive me for posting here but I feel that some of you are friends. Everyone else, feel free to skip this post.

I met DH in 1987 at the Experimental Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Conference. We have been together ever since and married in 1993. I still love him like a teenager.

DH is a brilliant Ph.D. chemist with a kind, easygoing personality. We met at age 35. His only flaw – he smoked. That would normally be a disqualifier for me but he is such a great guy and it isn’t easy to find one at age 35. I always knew this would eventually become a problem. His father died at age 65 of emphysema though the rest of his western pioneer family lived into their 90s. DH developed a smoker’s cough and eventually stopped his trail volunteering because he became out of breath with exertion.

DH hates going to the doctor. When I made an appointment to a pulmonologist for him a few years ago he canceled the appointment and became so enraged that he threw a coffee cup against the wall and broke a hole. (Extremely uncharacteristic.) He ordered me to never make another appointment for him.

Now that we are on Medicare I convinced him to get a free CT scan which is specifically designed for long-time smokers. He got one in January as a 50 year, pack a day smoker. He is now age 72.

The 1/25/2025 CT scan had these findings.

FINDINGS: Nodules:
Right upper lobe: 24 mm x 12 mm. This nodule is spiculated and one of the spicules is attached to the pleura.

Right middle lobe: 4 mm. 6 mm. 3 mm.
Right lower lobe: 5 mm likely fissural node.
Left upper lobe: 8 mm low density. Spiculated.
Left lower lobe: None.
Emphysema: Present.
Pleural effusions: None.
Lymphadenopathy: None.
Pericardial effusions: None.
Coronary calcification: Present.
Other findings: The ascending aorta is 34 mm. Volume loss is noted in right upper lobe and left upper lobe with tenting of the fissures. (This volume loss is caused by emphysema. DH’s father died after surgery meant to reduce the emphysema-damaged lung volume.)

New bilateral upper lobe nodules right larger than left compared to 02/24/2022. LUNG RADS 4B: A PET-CT should be considered. [end quote]

DH’s PCP (a nurse practitioner) said that she couldn’t order a PET scan due to the expense. We had to see a pulmonologist to order the PET scan which needs to be cleared with Medicare because it’s a $7,000 test.

The local pulmonologists were all booked solid and I had to fight to get an appointment which was last week – 3 months after the CT scan. I like the pulmonologist who seems very enthusiastic about getting fast treatment for DH. I have spent the past few days setting up appointments for DH.

DH will finally get pulmonary function testing today. He has pushed back against every suggestion but he will do what he is told because otherwise he is doomed. He will get a PET-CT next week and I have set up an appointment with an interventional pulmonologist who will biopsy the two nodules in the upper lobes using a robotic Ion machine.

DH has a serious problem.

We still need more data but from the look of things so far he has lung cancer in both lungs. It’s not clear whether these are new, separate cancers or metastases.

Because of his emphysema his lung volume is already smaller so he can’t afford to have pieces taken out. The cancers are probably on both sides. He may be inoperable. If the PET scan shows that the small, scattered nodules are malignant he will certainly be inoperable.

ChatGPT says that bilateral lung cancer in a man his age could be fatal in 6 to 9 months if untreated. It’s already been 3 months since his CT scan in January.

We need to get the data from the pulmonary function test, PET-CT scan and biopsies. Early lung cancer is effectively treatable by chemo if certain mutations are present in the cancer. But we don’t know if this is an early cancer. It hasn’t been staged yet.

Fortunately we have Medicare and supplemental. But some chemo drugs aren’t covered since they are not infused in a hospital. They can be very, very expensive. But the issue isn’t cost – right now it’s life and death.

Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death in the U.S. Approximately 124,730 AMERICAN LIVES are lost annually to lung cancer.

Wendy

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Dear Wendy,

I think a lot of us love you as a friend.

I would suggest moving if you have a lot of traveling to do for medical help.

I have very little knowledge of the current treatments for lung cancer. We are losing my sister’s MIL to lung cancer in the next few weeks. She has survived over 3 years after her diagnosis.

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Fortunately, our rural area has good resources, including pulmonary function testing (which DH did today), oncology and Stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT) which would be a good option for DH if surgery wouldn’t work for him. We will travel to Seattle for his biopsy and, if necessary, surgery. But that’s only 2.5 hours away so we wouldn’t have to move. We won’t know until after the biopsy whether the nodules are malignant or benign but it’s likely that at least one if not more will be malignant.

Wendy

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What Leap said: we do love and trust you as a friend. We are here for you.

You are doing and well do all that you can for your DH, and I urge you to also programmatically strengthen your own spirit for whatever comes. In between all the rest you are now doing, gently easily find and prepare some “spiritual nourishment”from the deep wells of knowledge and love in literature, music, and other arts.

One of the oldest and best of available resources for me during the dark days of the AIDS epidemic had been and still are the Psalms. My copy of Stephen Mitchell’s translation is dog eared by my life history.

Audio recordings of music and readings lets you partake of nourishment and respite while sitting in waiting rooms or alongside DH when the work is to recover and endure.

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Ugghh, so sorry to hear this.

That’s great advice. Being a caregiver is HARD, don’t forget to take care of yourself during this whole process.

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Truly an excellent idea. I recite Psalm 121 and Psalm 145 from memory daily. I have illustrated Psalm 121 several times.

I also love Psalm 114 and Psalm 1.

It is well worth reading Psalm 90, which was written by Moses himself and is therefore more ancient than the other psalms.

10Our days may come to seventy years,

or eighty, if our strength endures;

yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,

for they quickly pass, and we fly away…

12Teach us to number our days,

that we may gain a heart of wisdom… [end quote]

Thank you for your comforting, wise advice.

Wendy

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Wendy…give 121 a shot in the King James version (the only way I can recite it from memory) It would go very well with your lovely illustration…

https://m.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-Chapter-121/

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Sorry to hear your troubles.

I’m sure your pulmonologist will be up on the latest, but immunotherapy is becoming the treatment of choice in some cancers.

Best wishes.

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@VeeEnn it’s lovely…but mistranslated. “Heharim” are the mountains, not hills.
Wendy

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Sounds like it. I wish him an easy treatment and a speedy recovery! You know, your DH looks a little like a cowboy!

Since it’s been a while since the last CT scan, I wonder if it would be worth asking the docs if a second CT scan might be worthwhile … to see if anything (sizes, growths, etc) has changed in the interim.

Traditionally, Tehillim (Psalms in the original language) chapters 20, 30, 121, 130, and 142 are recited for the ill.

There are quite a few mistranslations in the KJV bible when compared with the original old testament in Hebrew (and even when compared to the translations into Greek about 2250 years ago). The most famous of which, of course, is in the ten commandments by mistranslating “murder” (in Hebrew, רצח) as “kill” (in Hebrew, הרג).

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I did ask about that. They are going to provide a PET-CT scan which will give that information plus the radioactive glucose tracer will light up the malignant nodules.

Then DH will have a biopsy using this minimally-invasive robotic bronchoscopy machine.
https://www.intuitive.com/en-us/products-and-services/ion

Meanwhile, the clock is ticking. These techniques will define his problem. There is a small possibility that his nodules are benign. If one or more is malignant the cancer will be spreading.

Thank you for the information about the Tehillim.

Wendy

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Wendy,
Our hearts go out to you in this difficult time, and we hope you both prevail.

Just this morning, I was looking at a video of Dr. Michael Steinberg, MD, the Chair of UCLA Radiation, talking about oligometastatic treatment with prostate and other cancers, what he calls “spot welding”, where he treats specific areas as they appear over time. Maybe that is something to keep in mind, should you need to go that path later on, but of course we all hope you don’t.

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Thank you for sharing this excellent information. DH has moderate emphysema so he can’t afford to lose much (if any) lung tissue. That goes double (literally) if both his bilateral nodules turn out to be malignant.

That would leave a combination of radiation and chemotherapy since surgery would be ruled out. The “spot welding” approach would be useful if his smaller nodules are also malignant.
Wendy

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I am so sorry to hear this. I know a little bit about how hard it can be to get some people to take care of their medical needs.

My mother in law was similar. Everyone else in her household was sent to a doctor at the first sign of illness. But she wouldn’t go for herself. Before her cancer diagnosis, her last doctor visit was probably for the birth of my brother in law. Around 35 years between visits.

She refused to seek treatment for what turned out to be squamous cell carcinoma for 6 or 7 years. That cancer has something like a 95% survival rate if treated fairly promptly. And being a skin cancer, it’s relatively easy to notice. But she didn’t want to do anything about it until it had metastasized to the point where treatment only extended life a little bit and would not be curative.

That situation was hard on those of us who loved her - knowing that earlier treatment would almost certainly have cured her.

While the same cannot always be said of lung cancers, earlier treatment is always better than waiting until the symptoms are making life difficult.

My thoughts and prayers are with you during this difficult time.

–Peter

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WENDY! I’m so sorry that you have uncertainty and a burden of stress and coordination through this next period.

We are here for you, should you require anything. Be the advocate you know he needs and DON’T forget to disconnect from it all at least ONCE every day.

Find your moment. Find him. Find peace. Then GO GET 'EM!

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PSMA PET scans are very useful imaging for detecting tumor location for focused treatment. They are a relatively new technology, about three years I think, that use a tracer to ‘light up’ tumors on the scan. Also, Dr. Eugene Kwon at Mayo adds another scan with C-11 Choline, that picks up things the PSMA PET may have missed.

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Wendy, I hope everything works out for you and DH.

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