Totally OT: Why do people lie on the internet?

As a guy who graduated top of his class from a world-class engineering school I feel I am able to understand scientific reports, many of which I have studied over the years, trying to find some legitimate proof of global warming. It is just not there.

It is often a mistake to dismiss arguments that do not reinforce your own beliefs. It’s easy to just assume that your opponent has not done his homework. These days you have to check around to find out the truth.

There is a lot of junk science involved with Al Gore’s legendary but incorrect hypothesis. Look at the “work” done by Ely University, the United Nations and so on. Also note that Al Gore has made 200 million dollars out of Global Warming. Very few of the predictions of the AGW crowd has turned out to be anywhere near accurate. I implore anyone who supports CO2 being a cause of climate change should look at some of the contrary evidence in these videos before closing his mind.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/global-warming-fraud-exposed-pictures

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-03-29/climate-movie-cold-truth-excellent

https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/

Good luck,

Ed.

In a message dated 1/3/2026 12:39:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, admin@discussion.fool.com writes:

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Ha Ha Ha. You say billionaires did not fund those silly demonstrations, and then you list two who did. Your logic escapes me. There are recorded indirect contributions from other billionaires too, including Singham and Gates.

There is no doubt many demonstrators believed in the cause.

As to needing higher taxes, do you include yourself? Or are you advocating raising the contribution of say the top 1%. I understand they pay 37 times as much taxes as the average man. How much should they pay, do you think? 50 times? 100 times? Everything they earn?

You will find that punitive taxes on the rich have not worked well in the past. Why should they now? Look at the exodus of rich people going on in California. Historically, I don’t think that kind of thing has ever done anything but slow the economy and reduce taxes paid. Been there, didn’t like it. Socialism has never been that successful over any length of time. We tried it in my home country and it got so bad I emigrated. The US was the second new country I tried, and it was like coming out of the trees into the light for me. I could work hard and make good money. I could keep most of my earnings, earned a great standard of living, excellent health care and insurance etc. Honesty was the general rule. Crime was punished. Life has been very good for me here because back when I arrived, our govt. obeyed a lot more of the Constitution. They have now trashed it, and the American system and general attitude has changed radically and now we have the “Grab the free stuff” mentality that so plagues us today, just as it did in the country I fled. Clue: It won’t work. Living standards will fall across the board. Capitalism has been proven the best system for general prosperity, and Socialism has usually made people poor and dependent, which of course is the general idea of Socialist leaders. Under Socialism, my experience is that over time everyone gets lazy and crooked and unhappy and the living standard declines.

Good luck,

Ed.

In a message dated 1/3/2026 1:31:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, admin@discussion.fool.com writes:

Isn’t it ironic that someone who touts his education and decries junk science linking to Wide Awake and Zero Hedge? Maybe comedic is a better term…

Here are a couple links:

Pete

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I was very tired last night.

What I am saying it makes no difference who funded it. People do not want an imperialist president.

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1950 to 1980 was a much better economic period in this country. We build real wealth with heavy industry. The top tax bracket was 70% for much of that and corporate taxes were in the 50% range, 46% and up.

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“Funding” “it” is a spurious silly side show, as the necessary funding for getting permits making “it” legal and safe were small compared to the actual costs incurred by the MILLIONS of participants in getting there and participating, complete with extravagantly pointed and fun signs and costumes etc..
Perhaps Eddie needs to have more real life experiences….

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Nick Shirley the “reporter” conflated all sorts of things for the fools.

There was a different case in Minn where 50 people were convicted. That is being conflated here to make a new case that does not exist.

They are eating the cats and dogs all over again.

Yeah, both those sources are crap.

Also, many (most?) engineers don’t know science. They know engineering. You’d think it would be splitting hairs, but it isn’t. My education is hard physics, but I worked in an engineering capacity among engineers. Some really fine engineers, too. They know just enough science to do engineering. When something stretched beyond the engineers, they came to me for the physics (actually, there was another physicist…they referred to us as the “rocket scientists”).

Many people (not just engineers) think they know better than folks who specialize in a field, publish peer-reviewed papers in that field, attend conferences (and sometimes defend those papers at those conferences) specific to that field. Even someone scientifically-trained, such as myself, is out their depth if they try to critique those papers. Those specialists like nothing more than to prove each other wrong. Us non-specialists would do well just to ask them questions, and accept the answers.

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Interesting thread. I have the following observations:

  • People lie on the internet because people lie. They lie in person, they lie on their resumes, they lie to their spouses and children, they even lie to themselves. Why would “the internet” be any different?

  • Citing “Zero Hedge” as a source is, well, a really bad way to engage in an argument. “Is Zero Hedge a credible source?”

Zero Hedge is generally not considered a credible or reliable source due to a history of promoting conspiracy theories, a consistent political and economic bias, and its role in amplifying misinformation, including Russian propaganda”
  • Saying the Al Gore made $200 million from his “global warming” business indicates a lack of research or outright falsity.

Gore had about $2 million when he left political service. His next $70m came by selling “Current TV” to Qatari owned Al Jazerra (mostly to secure their carriage rights on various platforms), and in the same month another $30m for exercising Apple options he received for serving on the Apple Board.

He exercised another 40,000 options worth about another $40m 9 years later in 2013, and has sold additional tranches in 2017 and 2019 (exact details unknown) and as of his retirement from the board in 2024 had almost 500,000 unexercised options, at various strike prices also unknown.

The overwhelming portion of his wealth has come from Apple, indeed, he has lost money or broken even on most of his “green” ventures.

So I’m a just say: Eddie needs better sources. A lot better, which he is unlikely to find in the concrete silo he has built for himself. But then maybe he was the one born during that minute that people talk about.

One last thing:
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Yes. I’m privileged to live in an advanced society, which got that way through both public and private investment. I support higher school taxes even though I have no children. I’m aware that better infrastructure improves my life, even as it gives others the chance to make money because of it. Better roads = better transportation, better distribution, lower prices overall. Better internet = more learning, better information *(not everyone obviously). Better education = better science, and possibly better art, music, drama, books.

And so on. Yes, I support higher taxes, including on myself. We had a period of vast wealth for a few and misery for many, it was called the Gilded Age, and society was better when more people shared in the bounty. That Elon Musk might only have enough money to start 100 other companies instead of 200 doesn’t bother me, and if Jeff Bezos’ newest yacht is 10 feet shorter, well, cry me a river.

I used to despise Bill Gates for his misappropriation of certain computer attributes and grinding of competitors into the dust, but at least he has redeemed himself by trying to make the world a better place. He advocates higher taxes on the wealthy. So does Warren Buffett.

There’s a lesson there.

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I pity the world-class engineering school that you malign with your unfounded claims as a global warming denier. I think your world-class engineering school is another fantasy of yours. Climate scientists/engineers around the world left climate change/climate warming deniers in the dustbin of history 10 years ago. But the fossil fuels industry resurrects these deniers and makes them into false demigods like Trump.

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I’ve said plenty and I have not clarified some things.

People doing legitimate science don’t create clickbait. Both can be Ph.Ds.

Particularly in medicine there are harms with clickbait.

Legitimate thinkers are choking on PhDs creating garbage.