We used to call them deadbeats

Remote work does not work depending on if you privately ask the people who are remote workers. They might as well be partying all night and day.

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Might this be an indication that most of what people do “at work” doesn’t need to be done anyway? I mean all these businesses are getting done everything they need done and everything they were getting done before.

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There is some truth in that.

Accountability matters. It is lacking.

More like corporations have pricing power and both corporations and employees on all levels are abusing that.

So they are finding new ways to not work? It’s the same story. 10 percent of the people do the work while 90 percent screw off. Am I right Intercst? :joy: When I was working some of my co workers would get so mad at the people screwing off and I would tell them, leave them alone. That is my overtime and how I make money.

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I have that T shirt

For 20

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For the life of me I never understood why you can’t tell whether or not someone is doing their job, regardless of whether you are looking over their shoulder.

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Over 10 + year working remote… there were many months, years where my day starts something like 5:30 AM and goes all the way to 9:00 PM. I have no idea what you are talking about.

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You can. I have managed projects and people who are rarely my direct report. So you set the expectation and see who delivers and who don’t. You also figure out who usually comes up with excuses and who just delivers it.

One of the biggest red flag is the guys not available during working hours. The really tricky ones are the ones who still deliver but not around during working hours. When I caught a guy, he confessed I am running a business and I have my family working on that but there are times I have to be there. Without flinching he offered, cash, vacation, and some unknown benefits in exchange for not reporting and cutting slack. It was rough. Eventually he got fired.

One guy, he hired someone from India to do his work. Not kidding. When I found out he said, I am old, I lost interest, I have trouble learning all these new technology but I need this job until 62 for insurance, I am still getting it done for you. Please don’t report and BTW, I have been doing this for the last 4 years, I thought you will not figure it out, please talk to Bert. And when I talked to his manager, he said yeah I know, and he is a friend for 20 years… can you let it go… I will make sure he meets his deliverables. Then I talked to my manager, and she is like, he is 9 months away, can you cover him till then?

That’s the day I truly understood the power of old boys club, because all these guys joined the company together and friends for over 20 years.

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If you’re on salary you don’t get overtime. I’ve never had a job I couldn’t do with excellent results in 20 hours/week once I figured out the lay of the land. But being productive doesn’t earn you any additional compensation or time off – you still need to sit in your office for 40 hours/week (or 50 to 60 hours if you expect to be promoted.)

I even considered my daily commute to be “uncompensated overtime” and was willing to pay a premium to live close to the office.

I was just fortunate to learn early in my career (by about age 30) that the stock market offered much higher returns than wage & salary work – even if you’re a well compensated engineer. Then shifted my focus from getting promoted to personal investment portfolio management. That’s even easier to do today since you can buy an S&P 500 index fund with a near 0% expense ratio.

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When I was working for Air Force defense contractor TRW in California in the late 1980’s, there was a Federal Gov’t Employee who won an Employee of the Year award for superior performance and they couldn’t find him to present the award. Turned out he had a second full-time Gov’t job at a second agency in Washington and bounced between the two offices staying one step ahead of the Sheriff, while doing excellent work in both positions. He was fired from both jobs, but with a loss to overall US Gov’t productivity.

Are you hiring a person to do a job and deliver a result, or merely to occupy an office for 40 hours/week?

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