2 thumbs up on used Tesla

I just got back from the Tesla Service Center. (I’ve had the car for 4 days) Tech sat in the car for about a half hour troubleshooting it. He ended up rebooting the car’s computer and then having me uninstall and then reinstall the Tesla app on my phone. Then he told me I had to have my phone’s data plan active for it to work. I don’t think that’s true for a bluetooth connection, but I turned it on. Eventually he got it paired and it’s now working.

When I got home I turned off the Data Plan, and the vehicle still opens up with my phone. Maybe you only need the data plan active when you’re doing the initial set up?

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I don’t know for sure, but that makes sense. The phone, I think, makes a connection via internet to Tesla servers to register your device.
Also, if you keep your phone’s data turned off you won’t be able to use many features, such as setting climate, remote lock/unlock, finding the GPS location of the car and getting charging complete/stopped notifications, roadside assistance, etc.

Mike

I’m getting all that through wifi when I’m home.

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You don’t need a working data connection for BT to work. But you do need a working data connection to contact the Tesla servers and download the proper credentials to tell the app that you now own that car. If you didn’t want to use your cellular data plan, you probably could have connected to the Tesla wifi instead.

You should however allow the Tesla app to use mobile data because it enables a set of very nice and very useful features in the app. My favorite is when I leave the gym on a very hot day, I can tell the car to begin cooling down so it is more comfortable when I enter the car to drive home. But there are all sorts of other cool features, like it’ll alert you if someone tampers with your car while it is parked somewhere. And it’ll send you 30-second clips from the cameras. Etc.

That’s good to know. I’ll enable Mobile Data if I park in the hood.

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I must be Paleolithic. My cars just got me there and back… most of the time. :wink:

The Captain

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Yep. An EV with 4 sec, 0-60 acceleration and without all the automation and touch screen controls, would be a big seller.

I don’t need my automobile to duplicate any functionality I already have on my smartphone.

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I’m not sure of the usefulness of getting your car’s GPS location when it is connected to your home wifi. You’d probably want to do this if you forgot where you parked…or it may have been stolen…for example. Roadside assistance isn’t a big priority when parked at home either.
Of course, all your choice when and if to use any of these things

Mike

I think in all my discussions about Tesla, I may have forgotten to mention one of my all-time favorite features. I especially like simply walking up to my car, entering, closing the door, and driving away. No (really ZERO) additional steps. And when I arrive at my destination, I get out of the car, shut the door, and walk away. That’s it. I can’t think of any other car that works that way. Can anyone think of other cars like that?

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If I need to use any of the Tesla bells & whistles, I’ll turn on the Mobile Data on my phone. But there’s no sense in paying for the “leaked data”, when it’s not providing a service to me.

I haven’t heard good things about Tesla’s Roadside assistance. If you get a flat tire (Teslas don’t come with spares), you’ll likely get quicker service calling Triple A.

Of course, while the vehicle is under the 1-year, 10,000 mile warranty, it may be cheaper to wait for the Tesla Service Tech to arrive.

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Unfortunately, I have to go through the labor intensive act of pushing a button to start (and shut off) my car.

On the bright side, I can just walk away and it will lock the car automatically. Of course I worry it might not work, so I push yet ANOTHER button to lock it.

It’s exhausting.

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Now that is actually a feature that has value to me. But as I understand it, all I need is the bluetooth enabled – no Mobile Data.

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You understand correctly. Just bluetooth (and some settings here and there) is required for that feature. But I think you have a misconception about the use of mobile data. The Tesla app will not use much data at all unless you DO stuff with it. For example, if you use the Tesla app to look at the 30-second clips of anyone hanging around near your car, that will use mobile data (or wifi, of course, if connected to wifi). But normally, the Tesla app doesn’t use much mobile data at all because it isn’t doing anything most of the time.

The vehicle software updates always happen via wifi, so make sure to connect the car to your home wifi router. It’ll automatically download updates periodically and then notify you that it has an update available and ask when you want it installed (default I think is 3am or something like that).

Thanks for that tip. My garage is about 35 feet from where my 5G router sits in the living room. I’ll have to see how strong the connection is in the garage.

I just looked at my charging stats. When I arrived home from Seattle, I charged the battery at home from 23% to 80%, 57% of a full charge. The Tesla app says my home charging (on a 110V plug) cost me just $3. That seems impossible. A gallon of gasoline here is $3.83/gal.

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Well, there are a bunch of things to consider. First, electric motor to create vehicular motion is MUCH more efficient than using combustion engines, there’s very little wasted heat, wasted motion, wasted noise, or waste products. Second, electricity per energy unit is less expensive overall (at 11 c/kWh). Third, the car DOES use energy, sometimes plenty of energy, on things other than moving the vehicle from place to place (heating, cooling, sentry mode, keeping microcontrollers and cameras running when necessary, the nice big screen, etc. Fourth, the $3 number is probably rounded, so at such low numbers it isn’t very useful yet. Fifth, some of the charging stats they show in the app probably don’t show up until you’ve his some minimum (and with your driving habits, you may never hit the minimum in most months).

In the Tesla app, at the bottom of “Charge Stats”, you will see “Settings”. In those settings, you can tell it who provides your electricity and at what price (at home, at work, and “other”). In my case, home is about 15 c/kWh, work is 0 c/kWh, and other is 0 c/kWh (supermarket parking lot, movie theater parking lot, topgolf parking lot, hotels periodically, kids college parking lot, etc).

So $3 at $0.11/kWh comes to 27 kWh. It also shows “Gas savings” which obviously isn’t 100% accurate, but is ballpark. If you click the little “i” next to gas savings, it’ll show you the average price it is using for gasoline in your area.

So what exactly “seems impossible”? And what does it have to do with gasoline prices?

This was indeed a problem for me. I wrote about it in previous posts a few years ago. My car in the driveway barely could get a good connection to my old router. It was very annoying, and it wan’t because of the router, it was because that Tesla had a weak wifi antenna. My phones all worked fine on wifi in that location and in locations two or three times further away. And lest you think it was the metal shell of the car causing it, my phones all worked perfectly on wifi INSIDE the car. The car (2020/21 models) wifi antenna is inside the passenger side mirror housing (which is plastic anyway). So it would usually take quite a long time to download an update. Finally I got annoyed enough, and saw a good enough sale price, and upgraded my router to a mesh wifi system. One node I placed on the windowsill of the front window quite near the driveway and the car now has no problem with wifi and downloads updates as quickly as it can.

I’m paying .0879 cents per kWh. So that’s 34 kWh, and if it’s $3.49 rounded down to $3, it could be as much as 39 or 40 kWh. I guess it sounds about right.

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The fact that you can drive to the Seattle suburb of Renton (about 150 miles) for less than the cost of a gallon of gasoline.

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This is the main reason why EVs should take over almost all transportation from ICE vehicles. Because they are simply WAY more efficient overall. That MPGe number printed on the Monroney isn’t nonsense, it’s a real well-calculated number and can/should be used for efficiency comparisons. And EVs, even the current models, satisfy all the requirements for 95+% of driving habits. It is one of the main reasons that we, as a family, rapidly switched over all 3 of our ICE cars to EVs as soon as we realized that fact. I like efficiency (duh, I’m an engineer!). It’s also the reason I switched to a heat-pump hot water heater about 10 years ago.

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I had a flat tire back in late 2020. I used the Tesla app and they showed up in ~30 minutes. and swapped it in ~10 minutes. They sent a AAA truck. There is a bit of convenience…I didn’t need to tell them what size of tire to bring or my location…the Tesla app provides all this and they just confirm via text or phone call.

Mike

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I just moved my 5G router about 30 feet closer to the garage and was able to get the Tesla to connect to it. It’s now downloading the software updates.

One thing I noticed was a message that FSD compatibility ends on April 30, 2025. My free subscription to FSD ends at month end, but why would “compatibility”?

Has Elon announced that you need HW4 to make FSD work?

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