In an ICE, maybe one bathroom break.
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Maybe you like to stress yourself with long hours behind the wheel. I never liked driving more than 2 hours without a break. And when I had my wife and kids on those long trips from Petaluma to Burbank (over 400 miles) we would need breaks even more often.
Jaak
A Grist article claimed: Batteries are getting cheap. So why aren’t electric vehicles?
In 2015, the average price paid for an EV was around $36,000. Now, it’s over $63,000.
This doesn’t ring true. The best selling EV in 2015 was the Tesla Model S, which started at $76,000, and sold more than 26,000. Big majority of those sold were higher end models that ran from $81,000 to ~$131,000. Next up was the LEAF, which sold ~17,200, and those started at $30,000 and went up to $36,000. All other EVs combined sold ballpark 10,000 units, and the average for those had to be well over $30,000.
Ergo, rough estimate would be that the average selling price was probably right in the same ballpark as the $63,000 quoted for current prices. And for that price you get a LOT more range than you used to.
Our trips to the Sierras, or Roseville, or even up the coast in my F150 ICE, are always broken up by pit stops along the way, i have the towing package, so a 38 gallon tank, but never let it get too close to the E side, refill anytime it’s close to 1/4 full, I don’t want to be concerned in case we get stuck in traffic.. Just did a trip from here (Petaluma) to Seattle, only a couple stops were for gas, overnight stops included, maybe refill befor getting rolling again…
Anyway, no EV for us, looking for a Hybrid, not even a plug-in, replacing DW’s Civic… Have some length limitations as I stole part of the garage for a laundry room. so we’re still looking.. Civic goes to a Grandson if/when he gets himself licensed…
The search continues..
Enjoy your new hybrid with it’s added costs for fuel, maintenance, smog inspections, and air/water pollution.
It’s not an added cost, but don’t forget that the resale value will go to zero pretty quickly as gas vehicles become scarcer.
The TCO for a Model 3 is comparable to any vaguely equivalent Civic at this point.
-IGU-
There is no ‘added costs’ over what we currently have in the garage… There is still no EV that can tow our 28" travel trailer, if I wanted to replace my F150 ICE, the only reason for replacing the ‘07 Civic is, besides gifting it to our Grandson, is to get all the safety gadgets, cameras, adjacent vehicles, etc… Finding one I can be comfy in at 6’-2", is another issue, as well as my more diminutive DW, being able to raise the seat, etc… Rooting for EVs is also in my interests, but they aren’t what we need for now, a hybrid gives us much greater fuel mileage, local tripping, yet if we need to take off to SoCal or NV, we don’t have to sweat out charging stations… Pollution, hah, this is CA, our restrictions are greater, most likely than most.. Never have failed the testing on any of our vehicles… Bah Humbug!
weco
Yet another concern of EVs, Hybrids… We just spent our annual, long President’s day weekend at Sea Ranch, but great weather, no issues… But this came out while we were gone… Sobering…
I was discussing your DW’s Civic replaxcement - not your gas gussler F150 ICE.
So you think Civic was OK for you but an EV is not?
Hybrids do not save fuel - they wates fuel.
SoCal and NV have more charging stations than NoCal.
Hybrids spew NOx, Hydrocarbons, PMs and CO2 - EVs none.
Hybrids SMOG testing costs money and time - EVs none.
Hybrids need more maintenance than EVs.
All the hybrids save fuel over the '07 Civic, none is wasted, it takes DW where she needs to go.
SoCal may have more as it’s a major population center, taking all the NorCal water it can.
Hybrids don’t spew any beyond current legal limits, and all are improvement over the current '07 Civic.
SMOG testing wastes none of our time, a Civic duty, so to speak. We’re retired, not an issue.
Without seeing any maintenance issues, any new vehicle will be less than the '07 Civic. An EV is NOT being considered, too limiting for our needs.
Bah Humbug!
If supply drops then it really depends on demand. There certainly could be continued demand…
DB2
Actually it’s like the opposite. As something becomes scarcer the price usually increases. Incandescent light bulbs will become more expensive, not less. Of course if gas stations are outlawed or some other non-market force makes it impossible to use an ICE, that’s different, but that seems unlikely doesn’t it?
Well, since we already see governments outlawing the production of ICE by 2035, and also making them very expensive to drive in city centers right now, I’d say that non-market forces are already making ICE vehicles less desirable. And they’re telegraphing that more extreme measures will be coming.
That will make such cars more difficult and expensive to fuel, more difficult and expensive to maintain, more difficult and expensive to drive, and more difficult to sell. Thus the resale value will trend towards zero.
This will just become more extreme if we get autonomous vehicles, as ICE cars will be more difficult and expensive to retrofit. That will make them even more unfit for purpose in comparison to alternatives.
But yes, as gas cars become more like horses, kept for no practical reason, some will become expensive fashion items. So there’s that.
But absolutely nobody who is buying a new car today will buy an ICE vehicle and keep it for 20 years until it’s worn out.
-IGU-