Ahh now I get it. They were saying they could bring prices down before the election and now that the election is over they are saying you don’t deserve cheaper prices. LOL The Gas lighting is amazing.
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Buyandhold, do you think the American Dream is about access to cheap goods?
DB2
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It’s certainly what they’ve been preaching for most of the 20th Century. Capitalism. Free markets. Higher standard of living. Consumer goods!!! If that’s not an open admission of – To be American is to Have Lots of Stuff (and implies it’s affordable, read: cheap) I don’t know what else you can read into it.
Ah, the old switcheroo. Nobody could have seen it coming.
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Well, they DID pay “full price PLUS” for a used-and-discarded orange turt… Now they get to experience the “full flavor” of their choice.
That is what “you all” ran on. Cheaper Groceries, cheaper egss. That is exactly what Trump said. So, alot of Americans were hoping for cheaper products.
DrBob, do “you” disagree with that?
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Yes. The dream part is about opportunity and the possibility of upward mobility. The cheap goods are a side product.
DB2
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So you disagree with Trump and Bessent?
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Correct. But the cheap goods were a reward for hard work and upward mobility. Now that they’re distancing the rewards for the hard work, it appears they’re distancing upward mobility, too.
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Isn’t that what Milton Friedman said: everything should be bought from the cheapest source?
Steve
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Everyone was lied to. Think about it. They wanted to bring down grocery costs while kicking out immigrants. How could anyone think that would happen? The immigrants are the back bone of the agricultural sector. They need that cheap labor.
If cheap goods are a side product than you disagree with Bessent and Trump. Because they are saying they are going to onshore everything. You can’t have cheap goods if it is built in the United States.
This is something I saw today.
What that shows is manufacturing in the United States was already on the downslope before Nafta. But now they expect to onshore all of this and keep people’s wages low?
Trump is also against unions so how does he expect people to get good paying jobs? I am not talking about the Elon Musks but the blue collar worker. All of them were paid peanuts until the unions started organizing. But Trump has shown now and through his life he wants to tear them down. Don’t listen to what he says but watch what he does.
This is really rich. In the speech he gave this week Trump stated “The rule by unelected bureaucrats is over” Now if that doesn’t make everyone laugh I do not know what will. He just appointed Elon Musk to do all of his dirty work. An unelected bureaucrat that everyone was railing against.
Finally, He said he would drain the swamp yet he fired all the people that watch over Government corruption and also did away with bureaucrats from taking bribes. This is the swamp now. Wake up.
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Yup. How can you have a cheap car, if it’s built by USian labor that costs ten times as much as Mexican labor?
Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth,
George Orwell coined the term doublethink as part of the fictional language of Newspeak in his 194 [dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In the novel, its origins within the citizenry is unclear; while it could be partly a product of Big Brother’s formal brainwashing programme the novel explicitly shows people learning doublethink and Newspeak due to peer pressure and a desire to “fit in”, or gain status within the Party—to be seen as a loyal Party Member. In the novel, for someone to even recognize—let alone mention—any contradiction within the context of the Party line is akin to blasphemy, and could subject that person to disciplinary action and the instant social disapproval of fellow Party Members.
Steve
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Orwell was spot on, then and now.
Another term that’s pertinent these days is Projection, wherein a person accuses another of the thing they themselves are guilty of.
“ Donald Trump’s penchant for attacking his opponents by projecting onto them his own disavowed personal attributes and apparent self-assessments has been a consistent feature of his rhetorical style”
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Yep.
And if you can keep the most racist, ignorant and innumerate 35% of the population distracted with the “circus” of rounding up black and brown people for deportation, you can get away with the lie.
Lyndon Johnson explained the method in the 1960s.
intercst
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They’re entitled to their own opinions.
Which, once again, is not the dream/aspiration.
DB2
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Not who’s dream/aspiration? Surely not the American people.
The USian dream seems to consistently be, more stuff, bigger stuff, more stuff, bigger stuff. How much larger is the “typical American house” now, compared to the 1950s-60s? How much larger is the typical car? How many people aspire to a trip to Cancun, or Hawaii, or Europe, now, instead of bowling on Thursday evening?
The population has slightly less that doubled over the last 50 years, but the number of passports issued has increased by an order of magnitude. Those folks aren’t getting those passports to make a road trip to Florida.
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