Airbus plans hydrogen-powered A380

Airbus said it plans to test a hydrogen-powered engine on a modified A380 by the middle of the decade, in hopes of bringing lower-emission fuels to commercial air travel.

The European aircraft giant said Tuesday that it’s working with engine maker CFM International — a joint venture of General Electric’s aviation arm and France’s Safran — on the test plane, which will include a modified version of an engine already in use that will have to handle higher temperatures at which hydrogen burns. Test flights could begin 2026, Airbus said. …

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/-airbus-plans-to-test-hydrog…

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They plan to name it the Hindenberg.
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Wendy

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Great news. The fossil fuel guys are shaking in their boots. Not long now for these dinosaurs to live.

Jaak

Airbus reportedly informed its employees on February 6 that it would push back the development timeframe of its ZEROe program to as far afield as 2040 or 2045.

This news was subsequently shared by French trade union Force Ouvrière, which also revealed that the budget allocated to Airbus’s ZEROe program would also be cut by a quarter. Plans to test hydrogen fuel-cell propulsion using an A380 as a test bed were also shelved, according to the trade union.

DB2

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On the flip side, this administration approved a $782M loan to subsidize sustainable jet fuel. Apparently green projects can be funded in red states. Trump administration approves sustainable aviation fuel refinery loan | Reuters

At the moment, sustainable aviation fuel from biomass appears to have a clearer pathway to success than hydrogen. For one thing, it is already being used in fuel blends and so doesn’t require a radical departure from current jet technology.

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Good thing there would not be jet fuel on board. The fires would be far worse.

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Experts continue to tell us hydrogen is a clean fuel but it continues to be expensive. Electric jet engine is not possible. Synthetic fuels like SAF are also possible but they too will be expensive. Easy enough to dilute jet fuel with biodiesel for some reduction in greenhouse gases. But they continue to tell us supplies of biodiesel are not sufficient.

Long term low cost hydrogen is essential. Low cost green energy could make that practical. Maybe nuclear power plant power to hydrogen. Hydrogen production by electrolysis is well suited to intermittent green energy.

Or will we give up on zero carbon because its too expensive?

As suggested before: the argument is never, really, about spending. The argument is about who benefits from the spending.

Steve

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From a thermodynamic point of view, electric jet engines are possible. The problem is that the energy density of batteries needed to achieve take off and go any distance makes it not practical.

Mike

As far as I know, current technology for electric aircraft means propellers. Max speed is abt 250 mph.

Electric jet presumably means super heating air to create jet thrust. I’d be surprised if this is known technology. Thermo or not, is it practical?

On the other hand, in a state with a blue Gov?

Interesting, eh?

Steve

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No. That is what I said.

Mike

The problem is misdirection about corporate tax levels. We need factories built here but not all of the wealthy concerns are in manufacturing.

It is like telling Thomas Jefferson to raise taxes so we can increase factory production while all he cared about was his reckless personal debts and slaves keeping him afloat. He was only a good poet.

Is this narrative about bringing production back to the US all misdirection? The “JCs” can tell you that the easiest money is from financial manipulation/speculation, not productive work. iirc, that was another lesson learned from Jack Welch. Are the tariffs not to move production to the US, but only to replace the revenue from the income tax, so the “JCs” get the ultimate tax cut?

Steve

During the 1981 to 2020 the supply side policies put premiums into the financial markets.

Kiss that entirely good bye. When they cant do that they will wake up. We need factory production.