I don’t think the “union” part ended up in the bill that was passed. Instead they inserted some weasel words about “prevailing wages”.
You are doing it again. You are assuming you know what is going on from the past.
You are simply wrong. I get you never make a mistake, or get things wrong or admit when anything of sort happens.
There are two issues here. One Apple might boot Twitter over conservative speech. Two Musk and a host of others are not interested at all in paying 30% to Apple. Both things are going hand in hand down the church wedding aisle.
Mark,
This is the snub.
Biden’s Buy-America Dream Relies on Buying EVs That No One Makes
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He wants government to buy electric cars made by union workers
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The U.S. government owns or leases about 645,000 vehicles
Musk “creates” his first win against Apple and is moving on the second win.
Those for freedom of speech on the right wont trust the first win will stick. Why should they? So they will want the second win lower Apple rates than 30%.
What was “wanted” on Jan 29, 2021 is different than what was signed into law by President Biden on Aug 16, 2022. That is ALWAYS the case, laws evolve as they go back and forth between both houses of Congress. For someone who constantly talks about the IRA law, it appears that you haven’t even read it yet! The word “union” or “collective bargaining” doesn’t appear anywhere in it. That’s most likely because it wouldn’t have passed, or some other items would have had to be negotiated, in order to get it passed into law.
You can find it here if you are interested - https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5376/text
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This is so ridiculous an assertion that it is laughable. Right now, and for the past few years, you can find FAR more conservative speech apps in the Apple app store. Ones like Parler, 2nd1st, epoch times, etc.
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So, Elon flat out lied about Apple. They never considered removing Twitter from the App Store, Surprise! This is what Elon meant all along about “protecting free speech” people! Elon hates being accountable for his words. I’m going to say something many hear will find offended: conservative voices have never been censored because they are conservative. If they have been “censored”, it is because they have said vile and dangerous things, not because they are conservative.
I stopped trusting Elon a long time ago. When is the fracking Robo Taxi???
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True enough. But the EU may consider removing it from their geography. Perhaps that would get his attention.
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Except you haven’t demonstrated that they have any chance of passing in a GOP-led House.
Oh, sure - there are Republicans that enjoy taking shots at Apple and Google, and would vote for these two measures. But as I’ve pointed out - repeatedly - the future chairman of the House Judiciary Committee is vigorously opposed to the bills. Jim Jordan doesn’t just oppose this bill - he went all out to try to torpedo Biden’s selection of Lina Khan at the FTC, and is adamantly against expanding the DOJ’s antitrust portfolio by even a smidge.
Because Jordan can (and will) block the bill, it can’t pass in the new Congress. It doesn’t matter if the issue gains a little traction among some Republicans who seize on anti-tech sentiment as a populist issue. With both Jordan and McCarthy against these measures, they can’t pass next Congress.
And again, Musk and Twitter are nearly irrelevant to this. Especially now that Musk has been caught out as being utterly mistaken about Apple having plans to boot Twitter. That’s not a “first win” for Musk - he didn’t change Apple’s mind. He just got it wrong (or made it up). That’s not likely to win him any influence on these issues going forward.
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It doesn’t have a chance in pretty much ANY house. Remember, these are very large companies, and with a few strategic campaign contributions, they can quash, or slow down almost interminably, this kind of legislation.
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True. After all, there’s a reason why the two bills (which have already passed committee) have failed to get a scheduled for a floor vote in either Chamber despite having ostensible bi-partisan support.
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Mark,
That’s great but not at all trusted by the right. The point is until 1987 all the lies by the right were illegal on the nightly news. The right has longer memories of not being able to spout an endless stream of lies. You have completely missed the point.
The left is getting more powerful again. The next generations do not want the endless lying. There is open talk of outlawing or stifling liars. Where does that leave them? Oh the horrors not be able to easily lie in public. What would suckers do? Hear the truth? OMG
I believe Biden has issued an order that the federal fleet by union made. That is the snub. Please up your comprehension level.
Al,
You have such a shallow understanding of any of this.
When you say “adamantly” what doesn’t Jordan say adamantly? It is his only mode of being. It is not like he means it when he gets to make the decision. He only means it when he doesn’t get to make the decision.
The minority party simply objects all day long against the larger party. In power the minority party takes different positions. Thinking Jim Jordan is going to be consistent when the chair is really not on. Really? Jim Jordan and power “consistent”? C’mon Al. He is not a statesman. He is a camaleon who does not even know what he will say next. He aint much and unfortunately it is all they gots.
Apple does not inspire the right wing to believe their speech is guaranteed. Musk has tapped into that excellently. Jordan will use that politically.
You are truly very funny. Where have you been? Since 2016 this has been the only mode of behavior in the GOP. It is not like Musk is the first Republican do operate this way. We just had a guy tweeting at 6 AM from the Lincoln Bedroom invent this.
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You may believe anything you want, but the rest of us prefer facts. Here is a link to Executive Order 14082 that you are referring to - Federal Register :: Implementation of the Energy and Infrastructure Provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022
Can you tell us which section contains “an order that the federal fleet b[e] union made”?
Also, if this is indeed the case, I’m not sure which vehicles the federal government might order, right now only the Chevrolet Bolt family of cars, the F150 lightning, and the Hummer are union made.
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Mark,
I am being very specific that Biden ordered US government fleet purchases to be EV union made regardless of the IRA. But I am not finding Biden’s order in Google searches.
Interestingly in another discussion on Musk swaying government policy others here give him zero credit for doing so with Twitter…but this…you are saying the union language was pulled for the IRA. {That was not what I was arguing regardless of what you were saying)
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One proposed electric vehicle incentive in the president’s Build Back Better bill applies a more generous tax credit for union-made vehicles, a provision that has drawn ire from Tesla CEO Elon Musk. While Tesla has manufactured more electric vehicles for the U.S. market in America than any other automaker, its workers are not represented by a union. (as you are saying it was pulled from the IRA)
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I said nothing at all about Musk in relation to the IRA bill! I don’t think Musk had anything at all to do with dropping the union language. I think it was part of the wrangling in the House and Senate. They couldn’t get enough votes to pass it with the union language in it, so they took it out. That’s how ALL legislation works … a bill gets endlessly massaged until it can get enough votes in both houses to pass.
I bet you could find all sorts of interviews, and other comments, about it. But you can’t find an actual order … because that order hasn’t been given yet. Remember, Biden, like many others of all parties, is a master politician and says LOTS of things that sound good to many supporters, but doesn’t always do those things.
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Mark,
In another thread same stuff, the IRA’s Section 48 C has not been determined yet according the secretaries of transportation and energy as far as I can tell. The APA gives the secretaries the power to set the rules for the IRA tax credits.
And you won’t either. Mark laid it out pretty well. Everything in the bill and executive orders says “prevailing wage.” Which is indeed a union protection measure. So politicians may say “union jobs” but what they really mean is union-friendly jobs.
As a former federal government contractor, pretty much all of our jobs (maybe all) were prevailing wage so that’s what we paid our contractors. But we never hired a union shop for anything.
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