BOFI

For anyone still following the BofI roller coaster, the declaration of Jonathan Ball is available for analysis. For those who don’t know him, Ball is the former BofI executive who managed Charles Matthew Erhart, the former BofI employee who has made allegations of fraud and misconduct against BofI.

Long story short, Ball basically refutes Erhart’s allegations. He also characterizes Erhart as someone who “would at times deviate from the established Audit Plan and would jump to conclusions”.

Ball also says that Erhart was a man “displeased” with his performance evaluation.

Someone has posted the document to a dropbox but I have no idea how long it will remain there or if it should even be there. It’s downloadable from PACER for $1.50 at https://www.pacer.gov/

Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/s/glgf5ab7m0fqldk/22-main.pdf?dl=0

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Thanks for the post…I just took a look at the affidavit. He clearly is not 100% going to bat for BOFI, but I think what he says in it ought to be very helpful to BOFI.
–AZspeedy

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Wow. I have a completely different view on this than you did.

I just read through the whole thing, and I didn’t see one time where Mr. Ball explicitly refuted any of Erhart’s claims.

To be clear, I’m skeptical of anybody’s story in this whole fiasco, but if anything, reading through this, I thought Mr. Ball’s comments lent more credibility to Erhart’s claims. Several times, Mr. Ball notes he resigned before several of these issues were resolved. Also, he resigned rather abruptly and immediately with no notice. He formally says due to long hours but I get the sense there is still more to the story.

Also of note, I didn’t get a favorable impression of Mr. Jolla after reading that document.

Ball also says that Erhart was a man “displeased” with his performance evaluation.

He was displeased because, according to Mr. Ball, Mr. Jolla himself added content to Mr. Ball’s performance review that resulted in a lowered performance rating than what Mr. Ball had rated him at.

Suffice to say, this document reinforces my gut feeling that something is off here. Not sure what exactly, but this in no way cleared anything up for me.

If you’re able, read through the document linked to above via the dropbox link. If that document is legitimate, I don’t see how it clears anything up.

best,
michael
long BOFI

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CMFMikenpdx: I just read through the whole thing, and I didn’t see one time where Mr. Ball explicitly refuted any of Erhart’s claims.

One example (among several):

Ball states that he disagrees with Erhart’s allegation that Tolla “Materially Altered Bank Secrecy Act QC Findings”.

“On one or more occasions, Mr. Tolla added his own suggestions and edits to the Bank Secrecy Act Quality Control Report. The area of checking on compliance with the Bank Secrecy Act fell directly under Mr. Tolla’s authority. Mr. Tolla did not make any substantive changes to this quality control report, and I do not recall that any of his edits were material. I reviewed all of Mr. Tolla’s edits, and I agreed with and signed the final version of that Bank Secrecy Act Quality Control Report.”

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He also made statements like this:

I also spoke with representatives of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (“OCC”) after I left BofI, but I do not recall the contents of that conversation. I do recall accurately answering the OCC’s questions.

He couldn’t remember what they talked about, but he is sure he answered the questions accurately. hmmm… ok.

Taken altogether, i get the sense that he was playing good soldier so as to stay out of the line of fire and that ultimately there was enough going on that he decided it best to move on. if it was truly an amicable separation, i just don’t get why it was so abrupt.

And I guess I view his comments as very carefully stated. I didn’t see explicit refutes; perhaps different interpretations on a few items. No explicit condemnations of Erhart or his work. He actually said Erharts work was mostly solid; the late audits were due to other departments not getting their responses back in a timely manner.

I don’t want to spend too much time tearing down any individual, or picking apart every sentence. For me, it didn’t clear up anything in terms of making me feel better about the whole situation. Others should read through the document and make up their own minds. Then size your investment appropriately with your sentiment.

Best of luck to all. I hope it all ends up amounting to nothing.

Michael
long BOFI

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Hi Mike,

For me, it didn’t clear up anything in terms of making me feel better about the whole situation.

Me either. I am not so kind about tearing down an individual

This did make me clear that Mr. Erhart was a pain, I suspect it goes with the job. It’s also clear that Tolla didn’t like Erhart. I also conclude Erhart is a “disgruntled” employee who’s trying to get vengeance.

I’m feeling there is nothing material here. In any case this doesn’t leave me a good taste for the management here.

The only question I have after reading this is what’s the third party beneficiaries that have deposits in the CEO’s account?

I have no question about Ball’s inaccurate use of is comprised of vs is composed of, or more accurately comprises. My business degree had a writing requirement. :wink:

Joe
Long BOFI but with pursed lips.

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CMFMikenpdx: Taken altogether, i get the sense that he was playing good soldier so as to stay out of the line of fire and that ultimately there was enough going on that he decided it best to move on. if it was truly an amicable separation, i just don’t get why it was so abrupt.

Well, clearly his declaration was written or edited by legal counsel. And the separation certainly was not an amicable one… Ball stated he was resigning because of his “continuous long hours” and imminent “time-intensive work tasks facing my department, which I understood would mean no relief from such long hours in the foreseeable future.”

Also, Ball left the same day he resigned, often the sign of ill will between parties.

And please clarify your suspicion that “there was enough going on that he decided it best to move on”.

CMFMikenpdx: I didn’t see explicit refutes; perhaps different interpretations on a few items.

I provided one clear example. Here is another:

In response to the alleged issue concerning BofI’s alleged refusal “To Let Employees Communicate Via Outlook (Email)” Ball states that although “BofI installed Jabber on my computer, I never stopped using Outlook during my employment at BofI. I had access to Outlook until my departure on March 5, 2015.”

And another:

In response to the alleged issue concerning BofI’s alleged “Material Omissions in Flood Disaster Protection Act Audit” Ball states that after discussing preliminary findings "we deleted many of the findings from the initial draft list of preliminary findings because they had been properly remediated or were inaccurate. The final Flood Audit report did contain findings and a plan for remedial action, and to my knowledge no material information was purposely withheld.

There are other examples but perhaps the most important one is Erhart’s allegation that Ball resigned “After Refusing to Break the Law” for BofI.

Jonathan Ball: "I did not resign ‘after refusing to break the law.’ No one at BofI, including Greg Garrabrants, Eshel Bar-Adon, John Tolla, Tom Constantine, Andrew Micheletti, or any member of the Audit Committee ever instructed me to break the law. In addition, I was never instructed to hide any uncovered violations in audits."

Are you suggesting that that is a “different interpretation” and not an explicit refutation?

Look, I agree with you that these responses are carefully phrased, which is exactly what you’d expect from a legal declaration drawn by counsel. However, bear in mind that Ball was long rumored to be the ace in the hole who would provide strong and vigorous support for Erhart’s allegations. There’s still a long way to go and Erhart will not be deposed until January 4 but I don’t think anyone would call Ball’s declaration a validation of Erhart’s allegations.

If you disagree, please provide a specific example. I’m eager to read where you feel that Ball agrees with Erhart’s allegations. I don’t see it but perhaps I will with your help. Thanks.

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NewEchota,

Thanks for posting. This was most interesting and somewhat dramatic.

Joe

CMFJambo: I’m feeling there is nothing material here. In any case this doesn’t leave me a good taste for the management here.

Management seems abrasive and demanding… not unlike the management style of several executives I’ve worked with throughout my career.

The only question I have after reading this is what’s the third party beneficiaries that have deposits in the CEO’s account?

Yes, there are unanswered questions but the answers aren’t necessarily nefarious. And as Ball noted: “I recalled that Mr. Garrabrants’s account had been selected several years before in a previous employee account review, and the auditor had already reported the issue in the prior review to the Audit Committee that Mr. Garrabrants had deposited third party beneficiary checks into his account.”

That does not mean that the Audit Committee handled this issue correctly but I seem to recall Garrabrants addressing the allegation on a conference call.

Enough. Time for the weekend and other interests. And for the record, I am not trying to encourage anyone to invest in BofI or form a more favorable impression of the company; it’s just that the folks at Seeking Alpha have gotten under my skin with their misrepresentations and distortions. Yellow journalism bothers me.

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Hi NewEchota -

First of all, I am still long BOFI. I have no axe to grind. And my aim in posting is not to convince anyone of a specific point of view.

My main motivation for posting a response is that I had an opposing view, and so in sharing that I hope people see the contrasting viewpoints and decide to read the document themselves because that will help them come to their own conclusion about how they feel about the situation.

I don’t think we have seen a smoking gun of any type, I don’t have any rock solid evidence to support my view. I feel the way I feel mainly based on my own interpretation of what might be going on and a ‘gut feeling’ more or less.

I’m not 100% certain anything shady is going on. Not even close to that really. I could be wrong. In fact, I hope I am and this all amounts to nothing.

But a couple examples and then I will really try to restrain myself from dissecting this too much more…

  • with respect to The Structured Settlements and Lottery Audit”

He says due to what he determined to be a lack of evidence and some uncertainty on his part as to how specific California statutes apply in this case, he didn’t include anything about this in his final audit report.

Personally, from his statement, I don’t get the sense he was convinced they didn’t do this, only that there wasn’t sufficient evidence presented to show they did. Without that, he can’t include it in the report even if he suspects they may have. Hypothetically speaking, if he were to share that he thought they may have without sufficient supporting evidence, he would open himself up to the same type of blowback that Erhart is getting.

  • with respect to potentially altered financials

He says: I did not interpret Mr. Constantine’s comments to mean that BofI was falsifying financial data.

there’s one that he just interpreted differently.

  • with respect to untimely contributions of employee 401k elective deferrals

He says they found evidence of this. He reported it to the Audit Committee and spoke with the CFO about this. He was told they would not self report the issue. They looked at a rule that permitted this which he says seemed proper.

No refutation there. That seems like confirmation actually.

  • with respect to alleged issues surrounding the approval of the Fiscal 2015 Strategic Plan

He says he doesn’t know when the plan was approved and didn’t see the document referred to.

That’s not a refutation. That’s saying he doesn’t know enough to say one way or another.

  • with respect to Deposit Concentration Risk Findings

he doesn’t refute this either. in fact he says he spoke to their Chief Risk Officer about it. This guy used to work for the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve did an audit. Mr. Williams in so many words told him to not worry about it. So he didn’t. He then says he resigned before he could review the issue any further.

  • with respect to Downgraded Performance Evaluation and Bonus

He says Erhart generally submitted well-evidenced audits and completed all Sarbanes Oxley testing on schedule. Surmises that the audits that weren’t completed in a timely fashion were due to untimely responses from business units. Says he submitted review to Mr. Tolla who decided to add a few things that resulted in a lower performance rating. Says he signed off and agreed at the time. But later brought up the issue of Mr. Tolla’s involvement with the Audit Committee. Then says he resigned before the Audit Committee’s next meeting.

No refutation there. Actually sounds like he was taking issue with Mr. Tolla’s involvement.

  • with respect to BofI’s alleged response to a SEC Subpoena

He doesn’t refute this either. He speaks about this one at length, probably more than the others. Read it for yourself in the document and see what you think. Essentially he thought there was enough there for it to be handed off to Legal. Instead Erhart took it directly to the SEC himself which was not going through proper channels. But he doesn’t refute the issue. Only says Erhart didn’t handle it appropriately.

  • with respect to Failure to Disclose Loans to Criminals, Politically Exposed Persons

Doesn’t refute this either. Says he is not sure whether the documentation Erhart refers to exists or not. Says he was not sure if it was technically against any internal or state rule to do this. Says he resigned before the audit was completed.

  • with respect to BOFI Improperly Accounts for Allowances for Loan and Lease Losses

only says that the Internal Audit department is not responsible for accounting treatment policies.

That doesn’t mean there was no issue here. Only that he gets to play dumb if he so chooses because it was his departments responsibility.

  • with respect to Global Cash Card Reviews for High Risk Customers

doesn’t refute this either. Shares that Mr. Tolla instructed the Internal Audit Committee not to bring it up the GCC situation with the OCC. If they asked about it they were to refer the OCC to Mr. Tolla. Mentions he does not remember if he discussed this with the Audit Committee in his final call after his resignation.

Hopefully, this is enough to substantiate my view. Again, my view is just my own personal hunch. If you feel differently I have no problem with that.

Also, another thought about the Outlook issue. They were transitioning from Outlook to Jabber. Jabber is an instant messaging service. Not really comparable to Outlook. Can Jabber conversations be saved? Is there any way this is an effort to reduce paper trails?

Also, I note that he resigned while many of the above issues were still unresolved. It’s not clear if any of these factored into his decision to resign.

In any case, I hardly think this amounts to a refutation of all the claims made by Mr. Erhart.

I’m not convinced that any of the above claims by Erhart are valid. I don’t believe Erhart any more than the rest of them at this point. I only aim to illustrate why I don’t think Mr. Ball explicitly refuted the claims.

The water remains muddy for me. I think the answers are stated such that they don’t help BOFI’s or Erhart’s case.

Just my two cents. Please don’t let me sway your thinking. Read the documents for yourself and see what you think.

best,
Michael
long BOFI

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Thanks, Mike.

I don’t have time to go through your complete list but will be happy to if you like… but let’s discuss one item for further clarification.

You write:

<* with respect to untimely contributions of employee 401k elective deferrals

He says they found evidence of this. He reported it to the Audit Committee and spoke with the CFO about this. He was told they would not self report the issue. They looked at a rule that permitted this which he says seemed proper.

No refutation there. That seems like confirmation actually.>

Why is this not a refutation? Erhart is not simply stating there were untimely contributions; he’s alleging wrongdoing in the matter. Ball investigates further and discusses the facts with CFO Andrew Micheletti: “we looked together at the authority that permitted this approach” and Ball is convinced that the bank’s action is, in fact, appropriate, and that there was no wrongdoing.

The fact that Ball acknowledges that untimely contributions existed is not a confirmation of Erhart’s allegation that the activity was criminal; on the contrary, Ball clearly states that upon investigation he found the bank acted properly.

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Nope, not necessary at all.

And, really, it’s entirely possible I’m reading this all wrong. But just thought I’d put my view out there for others to consider.

I don’t really want to argue for why I am right, or you are wrong because I don’t feel strongly about either.

You’ve made some good points for others to consider, and I tried to share my reasoning for a different view. The truth? Who knows? Maybe you’re right or maybe it’s somewhere in the middle. I don’t know.

It would take about 10-15 or less to read through the document. For others who have limited time, it might be better spent reading that document instead of these posts – then you can make up your own mind.

My intent isn’t to sway here, just share an opposing view.

Best,
Michael
long BOFI

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Fair enough, Michael. I didn’t intend for this back and forth to seem like an argument; but there have been many allegations posted on this board against BofI, each accepting the Erhart claims as facts. Ball’s declaration is the first opportunity to start to examine Erhart’s allegations for their validity. To me, on balance Ball does not support Erhart’s allegations.

Is there some truth inside Erhart’s allegations? Sure… for example, it is true that there were in fact Untimely Contributions of Employee 401K Elective Deferrals; but the allegation that the bank’s intent was to defraud the IRS is denied by Ball.

Anyway, I apologize if I offended you in any way or you interpreted my responses as dismissive of your views; quite the opposite, I really appreciate the time and thought you’ve provided in your messages.

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NewEchota, I’m not offended in any way! I didn’t mean argument in terms of a heated disagreement. I just meant I didn’t want to argue my side in terms of trying to make too strong a case for my view. And I don’t want to try to disprove your view because you could just as easily be right. But my gut feeling is that something is off here.

Admittedly, I don’t have much to support my view in terms of hard evidence. It’s mostly stuff that is subject to interpretation to a certain extent.

But one personal investing lesson I have learned, is that I need to match my position to my sentiment. When I don’t, and if I end up being right, it really drives me crazy. When I do, even if I am wrong, it doesn’t bother me nearly as much. I know I won’t always be right.

In this kind of case, I will sometimes hold onto a small position or maybe even initiate a small position if it seems a bargain is presenting itself. That is why I have held onto a small position here. It serves as sort of a hedge against my own fallibility. If nothing is wrong, then today will be a good buying opportunity and there should be years of growth ahead and plenty of time to add to my position.

(Also, for context, I should note I cut my position back at the end of August, before Erhart’s claims were made known. So that is not the basis for my current view, but it certainly hasn’t done anything to change it.)

Your posts and responses are appreciated as well. I think a civil back and forth from both sides makes us all better investors, and is a great hallmark of the Motley Fool community.

best,
Michael
long BOFI

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I just want to make a quick note on the apparent abrupt resignation of Mr. Ball. I used to work for a large bank in mid-management about four years ago. I decided to go into a different direction and found a job elsewhere. When I met with my manager to put in my two week notice, my manager was disappointed, but understanding. He did, however, tell me I had to leave immediately and that everything in my office was bank property. The briefcase in my hand was even searched and paperwork was removed.

I didn’t consider this a bitter separation whatsoever, and still occasionally go out for a beer with my old manager. I was told that this is just standard operating procedure for banks.

Now, granted, the only similarities between my story and Mr. Ball’s is that we both worked for a bank. We didn’t have similar jobs, and our reasons for leaving weren’t the same, but it didn’t surprise me that his leaving was abrupt. I definitely have my concerns over this situation, but his immediate departure is not one of them.

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Hi Eddie,
Thanks for you comments.

He did, however, tell me I had to leave immediately and that everything in my office was bank property. The briefcase in my hand was even searched and paperwork was removed.

They do the same thing in my company in the Telecommunications field. Nothing personal they just do not want someone in the network that is leaving. The good thing is they pay you for the two weeks that you gave your notice.

Andy

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I am in the legal field, and it is the same there, particularly for attorneys, ie- if you re terminated, you typically are asked to leave right then and there. If you resign on your own, you mostly likely are told to leave right then and there. It mostly has to do with privileged and/or sensitive information that various ethical rules require the departing attorney no longer have access to.

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I just want to make a quick note on the apparent abrupt resignation of Mr. Ball. I used to work for a large bank in mid-management about four years ago. I decided to go into a different direction and found a job elsewhere. When I met with my manager to put in my two week notice, my manager was disappointed, but understanding. He did, however, tell me I had to leave immediately and that everything in my office was bank property. The briefcase in my hand was even searched and paperwork was removed.

I didn’t consider this a bitter separation whatsoever, and still occasionally go out for a beer with my old manager. I was told that this is just standard operating procedure for banks.

Now, granted, the only similarities between my story and Mr. Ball’s is that we both worked for a bank. We didn’t have similar jobs, and our reasons for leaving weren’t the same, but it didn’t surprise me that his leaving was abrupt. I definitely have my concerns over this situation, but his immediate departure is not one of them.

Same thing here. Unless you’re someone with some very specialized information that they need time to extract and pass on, at my bank you are very kindly shown the door within a couple of hours after submitting your resignation.

Fletch

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. not unlike the management style of several executives I’ve worked with throughout my career.

I can think of several in my career also…I worked for a person who wanted me to fire a subordinate who was doing an adequate, needed job; and change a different employee’s review to get him -0- raise (in hopes he would quit). I agreed with the second instance but fought him on the first - to my later detriment. But it all turned out as good life’s experience.

…gotten under my skin with their misrepresentations and distortions. Yellow journalism bothers me.

…and the journalists collusion with short attackers for profit if that’s what this is… to the disadvantage of investors…nasty, nasty, stuff.

Joe

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