Dividend-paying stocks

I would no more buy a stock without a dividend than I would go to work at a job that didn’t pay a salary but said that at the end of my employment period I might collect payment that might or might not provide an adequate recompense for my time and efforts.

I understand that many investors prefer the tax benefit of deferring capital gains. They are persuaded that the enterprise value will always be reflected in the share price and that there will always be another investor waiting to buy the shares at a higher price. (Berkshire Hathaway is an example.) That may be true, but I prefer to be paid along the way because there is always the risk that the share price will be lower than I expect at the time I need the money.

This is especially true for many “growth stocks” which pay no dividends and aren’t yet profitable. They tend to borrow a lot of money to grow in the expectation that the investment will eventually pay off profitably. Many of these are in high-tech areas that can be disrupted by new technology, as we have seen many times over the past 30 years or so.(Anyone remember Wang computers or Lotus 1-2-3?) The NASDAQ bear market is showing that investors are losing confidence in these stocks as interest rates rise.

My grandmother began investing in the 1920s and taught me the value of dividends. In fact, her nickname for me when she introduced me to her friends was “My Little Dividend.”

My conservative approach is often pooh-poohed by the high fliers who are bored by old-fashioned companies that pay a reliable dividend. But maybe the market is finally coming around.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/search-for-yield-pushes-investo…

**Search for Yield Pushes Investors Into Dividend-Paying Stocks**
**Shares offering dividends race past S&P 500, growth stocks in 2022**
**By Akane Otani, The Wall Street Journal, May 5, 2022**

**Investors seeking shelter from volatility are turning to a part of the markets that had largely been overlooked last year: dividend-paying stocks.**

**Shares of companies paying big dividends to investors have trounced practically everything else this year.**

**The iShares Core High Dividend exchange-traded fund, which tracks 75 such stocks, is up 6.4% this year. That puts the fund far ahead of the S&P 500, which is down 9.8% in 2022....**

**Many dividend payers are in industries like utilities, telecommunications, and consumer staples, which consumers tend to rely on year-round, regardless of the economic environment. That has made them especially attractive to investors who are worried the Fed won’t be able to combat inflation without significantly raising unemployment....** [end quote]

Fidelity and Vanguard both have mutual funds and ETFs that focus on dividend paying stocks.

Wendy

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Look at ytd numbers for vig (Vanguard Dividend Appreciation) versus Brk-B and tell me what you see:

https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/VIG#eyJpbnRlcnZhbCI6ImRheSIs…

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Good one, thanks for sharing.
Wendy

Depends on what your holding period is. Since the Vanguard Dividend Appreciation fund opened in 2006, $1 invested in VIG would be worth $2.45 if invested in BRKA. That’s a pretty big difference in wealth.

intercst

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I should add that for the past 25+ years, my investment strategy has been to limit dividend and interest income in favor of capital gains.

I see little utility in paying taxes on interest and dividend income I’m not spending, then reinvesting the excess. Much better to just leave the money invested without the drag of taxation in a vehicle like BRK.

Minimizing the “skim” – the key to retiring early.

intercst

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I started a position in SDY at 124.

Also started VZ at 45.75

As someone who just needs to “make it” and less interested in getting more - I like things with proven histories of paying, and raising payouts.

Then there’s my weekly poker investment.

On good days I get a pepperoni slice and a fountain soda on my way out. On bad days, a cheese slice along with a free bottled water from the casino table. Yesterday, I didn’t get to have my soda :frowning:

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Dividend-paying stocks?

I avoid them. One can generate income without losing the power of growth, the power of compound interest. It just takes a bit more work but once retired one has lots of time available.

Investors seeking shelter from volatility are turning to a part of the markets that had largely been overlooked last year: dividend-paying stocks.

Volatility is good! Imagine an ocean with no volatility, no surfing! Imagine an atmosphere with no volatility, no refreshing breeze! Imagine a landscape with no volatility, no mountains to climb.

Volatility got a bad name from Modern Portfolio Theory (MPT). The central idea behind MPT is to avoid volatility and the way to do it is to hold losers to counteract your winners. They give it a fancy name to hide this ugly reality, “Non-correlated assets.”

Non-Correlated Assets: What They Are and How They Protect Your Portfolio

https://equityzen.com/knowledge-center/newsletter/non-correl…

Biological evolution has not been able to keep up with industrial and financial evolution. Our fight or flight instinct is rooted in the African Savanah that we abandoned millennia ago. It was developed to evade the big cats and catch the little bunnies, yummy! Bear markets look like big ugly cats to run from while bull markets are the time to catch the yummy bubbies. Totally upside down! In the market it’s buy low (in the bear market) and sell high (in the bull market).

Now suppose you are the manager of a mutual fund and your customers are endowed with the African Savanah fight or flight instinct. You don’t want your clients to sell out in bad times because your profits come from the assets you have under management, not from the wealth you create for your clients (ask Steve about the darn Rope Sellers, Job Creators). By calming the waters with Modern Portfolio Theory fund managers avoid losing paying customers.

These two charts should convince you that growth outperforms value (NADDAQ vs. S&P 500) and asset light outperforms asset heavy (MSFT vs. INTC).

NASDAQ vs. S&P 500 yearly since 1971:
https://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp…

MSFT vs. INTC yearly since 1987: https://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp…

The importance of the yearly chart is to show that daily volatility is a poisonous distraction. Buy good growth companies and leave the trading to others. You save a lot in taxes and commissions and avoid selling low.

The Captain
has little hope of convincing the dyed in the wool sheep but tries nonetheless

TSLA vs. MSFT quarterly since IPO 2010
https://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp…

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Look at ytd numbers for vig (Vanguard Dividend Appreciation) versus Brk-B and tell me what you see:

VIG vs. BRKA quarterly since inception 2006
https://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp…

The Captain

Look at ytd numbers for vig (Vanguard Dividend Appreciation) versus Brk-B and tell me what you see:

Looks great. Unfortunately my investment horizon is different than Jan 1 2022 to May 5 2022. I expect I could live another 30 years maybe more. So I need to be looking at least that far out. As others have pointed out, BRK.B greatly outperforms VIG over any reasonable timeframe. Since more money = more safety, I view BRK.B as much safer than that particular basket of dividend-paying stocks.

In this article taken from one of the annual letters, Buffett explains why in some cases (and in BRK’s case in particular) paying dividends is not advantageous to the shareholder. Certainly worth reading.

https://www.businessinsider.com/warren-buffett-on-dividends-…

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In this article taken from one of the annual letters, Buffett explains why in some cases (and in BRK’s case in particular) paying dividends is not advantageous to the shareholder.

Exactly!

What a lot of people don’t realize is that there’s no magic in dividends. That’s why a stock that pays a 50 cent quarterly dividend drops by half a point on its ex-dividend date. It’s the same as selling 0.50% of your shares (assuming a $100 stock price), except that the owner of the non-dividend paying stock has control over the timing of his taxation.

intercst

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“What a lot of people don’t realize is that there’s no magic in dividends”

That’s what I was trying to say although my post was either too cryptic for some or some responded without actually looking at the chart. Brk is again proving that value investing and risk-adjusted total return stocks can consistently hold up well in downturns as evidenced by Brk’s performance during this downturn and every other downturn that I have been a part of over the last 30 years. I can sell 2-3% of Brk annually year in and year out and yield more spending money, pay less taxes and have a larger holding at the end of 30 years than if I depend on dividend achievers.

I believed as wendy does until the numbers proved me wrong day in and day out, year in and year out, decade in and decade out.

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Look at ytd numbers for vig (Vanguard Dividend Appreciation) versus Brk-B and tell me what you see:

And what do you see if you look at 5 years instead of 5 months?

I see BRK ahead by almost 50%.

Over a short period like 5 months, I’d argue that comparative returns are pretty much random. You don’t see real differences until you look at something much longer.

—Peter

…but I prefer to be paid along the way because there is always the risk that the share price will be lower than I expect at the time I need the money.

Your fear is based on improper asset management in a portfolio. It’s generally a best practice not to invest in the stock market with any money you expect to need within the next few years.

https://www.fool.com/investing/how-to-invest/stocks/when-to-….

But you know that.

IP

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Your fear is based on improper asset management in a portfolio.

Proper cash management is basic to secure the portfolio. Develop every tool in the arsenal: sufficient cash reserves, margin account, high credit card limit, and no debt.

When stuff hits the fan the above will give you time to solve the problem at the least cost and inconvenience.

The Captain

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