Higher education for men lagging trend

Seems to me the US had a draft that somewhat emulated that idea? I just read that Conscription is still in place just not being used … who knew?

iirc the “Selective Service” law lapsed in the mid 70s, but was revived around 79, when the “Islamic boogyman” narrative started with the revolution in Iran.

Of course, in the 60s, a lot of men were in college to exploit the student deferment, in the hope that the war would go away before they exhausted the deferment. The student deferment was repealed in the fall of 71.

The Captain
but beware indoctrination

I could have sworn I had responded to the OP some days ago, but I apparently deleted it. My response veered into certain factions’ anti-education narrative that schools do nothing but brainwash students with “woke” ideology.

Steve

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Important issues came up, accreditation and hiring. Business now relies heavily on accreditation to hire new staff, as Peterson put it, business delegated candidate evaluation to colleges but the reason college graduates are “better” is not for the education but on account of the use of IQ to screen applicants in the first place.

Jordan Peterson strikes me as a person who is out of his depth on every issue.

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Women are in a hurry because of the biological clock. If you want them to have children, your program had better keep that in mind. Telling them to wait until age 22 to start college pretty much keeps them out of PhD programs, and probably some Master’s programs as well, except for the stalwart few who can handle kids and PhD programs at the same time.

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Peterson suggested that he might not return to Toronto U as he can educate thousands of people online without the woke censorship. Newspapers were hard hit by the internet as people got tired of the biased reporting of the mainstream media.

Newspapers got “hit hard” because the internet was free and accessible 24/7. Full stop.

At the time of the invention of the internet the “trust” in newspapers was around 65%, according to Gallup. Today it stands at 36%. Yes, we can all see how the internet is better :wink: (“Trust” reached 72% shortly after Watergate, but settled back around its historical average of 65%.)

out of his depth on Bitcoin

Wow. Now there’s a surprise.

of IQ to screen applicants in the first place.

There is likely some indirect screening taking place, but the use of “college degree” for many - perhaps most - jobs is a big mistake. Lots of college happens because parents are wealthy, not because the person has drive. Because the parents are alums, not because the candidate can think for themself. Because we provide no other good alternative for 18 year-olds except military, prison, or fast food employment.

Bitcoin is neither money nor currency, it might be a substitute for gold as a “hard” asset. Can you imagine quoting prices in something as volatile as bitcoin?

Cryptocurries are, at least now, a lottery ticket. There are hundreds of them, all purporting to do something-or-other to change the world, and none of them seem likely to do it. They are backed, no they are not backed; they are money but not, you can’t really spend it or store value in it, but I have to admit, it seems likely to be a smarter purchase than an NFT

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Women are in a hurry because of the biological clock. If you want them to have children, your program had better keep that in mind. Telling them to wait until age 22 to start college pretty much keeps them out of PhD programs, and probably some Master’s programs as well, except for the stalwart few who can handle kids and PhD programs at the same time.

I disagree, but I have Mom as my role model. She had to give up a full scholarship to a private high school to help out her family during the depression and didn’t even get her high school GED until her late 20’s. After 6 kids, she went to college and wound up with 2 master degrees while working full time. Of course that was a time where it was less expected that you would chauffer your kids here there and everywhere, and there tended to be much more hands off parenting, as well as more family nearby to be able to help out.

I am also not talking about waiting until 22 to start college. Most kids graduate high school at around 18, making a 1-2 year delay starting college at 19-20. Additionally, in general, couples are getting married much later as it is. I was in my 30’s when I had our kids, which was admittedly late for that time, but typical now. Plenty of time to get advanced degrees had I decided that was the route I wanted to take. I even considered going back for a masters degree after the kids were in school, but given early retirement was a goal for me, that did not make sense economically.

Society is also more accepting of SAHDs these days. I find your statement “Women are in a hurry because of the biological clock,” to be rather sexist and dated, a thought process that is in part responsible for lower salaries for women compared to the male peers. I have faith that woman can have it all should they chose to do so, even with a 1-2 year delay in the start of college. It’s the rare college freshman that knows exactly what they want for a career from the start, and the girls at college are not immune to the Freshman Party Freedom syndrome that the boys go through. It’s part of growing up. I personally graduated high school as a Junior and went to work in France for a year as an Au Pair, returning to go to college with kids my own age. It was stunning how immature the girls in my dorm were, and how hard they partied, while I already had much of that out of my system and was able to buckle down.

So yes, it would be slightly different, but I do believe strongly that kids would benefit from getting some practical experience and life experience before putting down large sums of money to study a field they have no real concept of. And there is nothing to say that they cannot go do something in their desired field, which would make their route through college potentially quicker and focused, or some will skip it entirely having found a field that they can enjoy and excel in without a college degree.

No perfect solution, but what we have works poorly, is economically inefficient.

IP

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It seems to me that kids of all races and genders would do better to work for 2-3 years and then go to college. They would have a better idea of what it’s like to actually work and possibly develop a better idea of what they wanted to study, getting the initial surge of freedom out of their way.

I have a similar but slightly different take on it. I think each kid has a certain affinity for education in their teenage years, affected by both nature and nurture - and NOT the same for every kid - and when that is done, they should be actively encouraged (in extreme cases, forced) to leave school and go try to earn a living. Without regard to age.

At the same time, some kids have a low affinity because they they have become hostile to education. With that attitude they not only cannot readily benefit from education themselves, but impede the education of others. Shoved out into reality, SOME of them will wise up reasonably soon - and, based on suitable evidence of having done so, should be welcomed back into the education system. (I’d love for our education system at the basic levels to award credentials more for knowledge and less for age and endurance.)

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Women are in a hurry because of the biological clock. If you want them to have children, your program had better keep that in mind. Telling them to wait until age 22 to start college pretty much keeps them out of PhD programs, and probably some Master’s programs as well, except for the stalwart few who can handle kids and PhD programs at the same time.

I disagree, but I have Mom as my role model. She had to give up a full scholarship to a private high school to help out her family during the depression and didn’t even get her high school GED until her late 20’s. After 6 kids, she went to college and wound up with 2 master degrees while working full time.

I am reminded of an old tale of guy who was contemplating a somewhat-late return to the medical-career path that had been his lifelong ambition, but something had sidetracked him.

He wrote to one of the advice columnists of the day “But if I go to medical school, in five years when I graduate I’ll be 40!”

The advice columnist’s response: “And how old will you be in five years if you DON’T go to medical school?”

(He went to medical school.)