I thought that the Swiss were neutral

Swiss parliament backs measures to confiscate frozen Russian assets for Ukraine reconstruction

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/swiss-legislators-support-proposal-for-seizing-russian-assets-to-aid-ukraine/ar-BB1jydyo

They didn’t vote to seize US assets on the many occasions the USA has invaded countries.

I just noticed that this was passed on 7th March, the same time as the gold price rose - coincidence or what :slight_smile:

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That is a false equivalency between the US and Russia.

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Both have blood on their hands and I’d say that the USA has far more than Russia.

The war in Ukraine was started in 2014 when the West, led by the USA, overthrew the elected pro-Russian government:

Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine, plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych while convincing the ever-gullible US mainstream media that the coup wasn’t really a coup but a victory for “democracy.”

“a victory for democracy” - here’s a few more:

Interestingly the article starts by saying:

This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably.

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Please take your Putin talking points elsewhere.

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So a peaceful transfer of power in an overthrow of the government? When a President flees a country because his whole legislature votes to kick him out is an overthrow? When even the country he flees to refuses to recognize him as the legitimate leader of the country he fled from? I don’t think you understand what the meaning of overthrow is.

I read your article but it seemed to be filled with hyperbole that smelled like someone with an axe to grind and trying to manipulate their readers. It definitely was bereft of any journalistic integrity.

Andy

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Sorry if the truth hurts.

To get back on topic how can the world’s financial system work if countries steal other country’s money? The USA is now after $300 billion that belongs to Russia:

Even during WW2 the Bank For International Settlements kept the international financial system going, such was its importance:

At the outbreak of World War II in September 1939, the BIS Board of Directors – on which the main European central banks were represented – decided that the Bank should remain open, but that, for the duration of hostilities, no meetings of the Board of Directors were to take place and that the Bank should maintain a neutral stance in the conduct of its business.

For more on The Bank For international Settlements read “The Tower of Basel” by Adam LeBor.

Tell it to the country being invaded.

The Captain

The invasion has happened twice over by then. The military leaders killing aimlessly. The Muslim Brotherhood killing aimlessly.

We are the least it of.

I guess blaming someone else is popular with dictators. Don’t buy it.

Denny you think any time you see the word socialist we are talking about Venezuela. It never occurs to you we are talking about Germany and Norway.

Right because the other topic didn’t go the way you were hoping it would.

So if I break into your house, trash everything inside of it and burn it down I shouldn’t be held responsible? Please give me a written letter stating I am free and clear to trash your home and sign it. Also please give me your address so I know where to send the crane.

Andy

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You have some kind of X-ray machine that sees inside my brain? Patent it ASAP before the Chinese beat you to it!

The Captain

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How can the world function if a country can invade a neighbor with no repercussions? Because that is what you are trying to let Russia do.

We could get directly involved militarily, sparking WW III. Or, we could find less kinetic and explosive (literally) ways of dealing with the aggression.

You have fallen victim to Russian propaganda. Perhaps this explains your fascination with gold.

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The viso scope can not see through anything that thick. LOL

Many people on YouTube and elsewhere are watching Russian propaganda.

That is not at all true.

Putin is a nutty guy with crazy interests.

Cuba - the country that remained firmly in the Soviet bloc without interruption for three decades? The country that was right on our “border,” dominated by the Soviets, but we somehow managed to live with that for thirty years from the revolution until the fall of the Soviet Union?

I’m not sure that example means what you think it means.

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That is the very definition of Russian propaganda.

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i’ve been to The Bay of Pigs and seen the memorials to children and people killed in the bombing by B26 bombers flown from the USA, who organized an unsuccessful invasion of Cuba.

I’ve been to similar memorials here in my hometown in Miami. But despite that abortive attempt, we then managed to live with a Soviet-dominated client state on our border for thirty years. We didn’t send in the U.S. military, even though it would have been child’s play to conquer Cuba in 1960.

Because formally invading another sovereign nation with your own military forces except in response to a very limited set of circumstances (like being attacked by that nation) is a violation of international law of the highest order. Which is why we didn’t do that in Cuba (even in the Bay of Pigs).

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The USA ‘peaceful and benign’ - I’ve talked Americans, many really believe this:

This list makes it seem clear that the United States has been as bellicose as any other country in the history of the world. At least, it seems clear to non-Americans. Less clear are the reasons behind the bellicosity, the reasons that so few Americans realize how bellicose they are, and the reasons that so many Americans believe their country to be peaceable and benign.

https://www.maurer.ca/USBombing.html

So how is stealing other countries money because they behave like you going to affect international trade and the world’s financial system. I see the world descending into financial/trading blocks which will make us all worse off.

Even during WW2 keeping the international financial system going was seen as important by both sides:

In the late 1930s, effective international cooperation became more difficult because of the growing political and military tensions. During this period, the BIS was instrumental in shipping gold from Europe to the safety of New York, mostly on behalf of European central banks (more than 140 tonnes of gold were transported between June 1938 and June 1940).

With the declaration of war between Germany on the one hand and France and the United Kingdom on the other in September 1939, it was no longer possible for representatives of these belligerent countries to attend BIS meetings. Board members were nevertheless convinced that the BIS ought to be kept alive to assist in financial and monetary reconstruction after the war. The last prewar meeting of the Board of Directors took place in Basel in June 1939. After that further Board meetings were suspended for the duration of the war.

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I didn’t say the USA is peaceful and benign. I pointed out that the U.S. military didn’t overrun Cuba, even though we were capable of doing so, even though it was a Soviet client state. Which means it’s not an example of what you were trying to argue, that the presence of a Western-allied country on the border of Russia was something that they couldn’t tolerate without using their military to invade. We managed to do it for three decades.

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