I've never understood the economics of EVs

Neither do these EV owners:

Once out of warranty EVs are just about worthless

I bet their next car is a petrol


The economics is: Make all the money up front on the climate scare, people’s good will, and of course good old government subsidies then move on. It’s the free market and it’s good for the environment


They wanted 2000 USD to fix my ICE Dodge Ram air conditioning system. It’s a known problem and many people are having it. I decided to do it myself. Have to tear the whole dash apart to get to it but with Youtube you can do anything.

What I am trying to point out is, any car that is not under warranty, puts you on you own. Also, Renault? Who would buy one? I had one in High School where the heater wouldn’t work. Didn’t make it worthless just really cold.



The owners lived in Scotland - any car there without a heater is pretty much worthless :slight_smile:

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Why? This clearly was a problem (actually multiple problems) completely unrelated to the vehicle being an EV.

I won’t spoil the surprise for you but if you read your own link, it will become very clear.


Do you think Scotland is colder than Montana/USA at the border? :grinning:



We look forward to inexpensive EV batteries. And ones that work in cold weather.

Any day now. No doubt.


Nothing about that story is related to the fact that it is an EV however.


If production costs fall and repair costs rise then there will be more and more cars written off - I thought that EVs were going to save the planet:

However, critics of gigacasting say repairs will be more costly and complicated because large sections of the car are affected in even minor collisions.

Gartner predicts that by 2027, the average cost of an EV body and battery serious accident repair will increase by 30%.

As a result, vehicles suffering a collision may be more prone to a total write-off as the repair could cost more than its residual value.

“I’ve never understood the economics of EVs”

This is true - you don’t.

Here’s a simple anecdote. I replaced a nice 4-door ICE sedan with a nice Tesla 4-door sedan. Each with roughly the same feature set, though the newer vehicle seems to have new features added periodically via new software. The old 4-door ICE sedan, a really nice car, with good acceleration, would get me about 50 miles out of $10 of gasoline. The new 4-door EV sedan, a really nice car, with excellent acceleration, gets me about 250 miles out of $10 of electricity. So, to me, the economics of my EV are pretty clear.


That is until you take that EV to your dealer for the oil change and they keep hitting you up with a transmission flush, fuel injector cleaning, serpentine belt, etc. etc. Just you wait! :smiley:


Glad it works for you, but be careful not to have a bump, it might mean writing off your car:

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As a teenager I lived in Louisiana and drove a '72 VW Bug WITHOUT air conditioning. It was extremely miserable driving to and from twice a day football practice in August. But it got me there and back. Got really good and timing the stop lights as to keep some semblance of a breeze with the rolled down windows.


To me as well. My total cost of of ownership of my EV is so low I’m almost embarrassed to talk about it.


Divitias, stirring the pot again.

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The EV market has become so “unsustainable” that a Wicklow car dealership no longer accepts them as trade-ins.

Once again: “Featured Troll of the Week”

Interesting. I just saw this in Consumer Reports:

When comparing cumulative costs by brand for years one through five and six through 10, we found that Tesla had the lowest maintenance costs. At the opposite end of the rankings, several German automakers are clustered as the most expensive brands, namely Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Porsche.


Sans accident repair costs (large and small), obviously.

Yes, but that’s not maintenance.

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