When a Kansas law forced voters to prove citizenship, a fiasco followed | AP News
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The law, passed by the state Legislature in 2011 and implemented two years later, ended up blocking the voter registrations of more than 31,000 U.S. citizens who were otherwise eligible to vote. That was 12% of everyone seeking to register in Kansas for the first time.
If the objective is voter suppression, then the program was a success? Someone probably figured that “our sort of people” all live in nuclear families that have all the documentation of their family, stretching back generations, at their fingertips. Only “others” would be excluded.
Steve
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Exactly, else we’d be voting on our cell phones long ago.
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One of the (L&Ses) in Lansing recently introduced a bill to require every registered voter to provide documentation of citizenship, or have their registration revoked.
I have been telling you guys, for months, get your papers in order.
Steve
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Flush away !!! The only paper that matters.
I have my Irish/EU passport in order.
You’ll need an actual escape hatch if it comes to it.
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My one potential escape hatch was Canada. But, as I reminded Tim, when he was expressing gratitude for where he lived, Canada is too rich in resources to escape the US’ grasp forever.
Steve
Tim must have loved you. He loved me. LOL
He was good to no one and had econ wrong a thousand ways from Sunday. Self appointed expert in everything.
We had that conversation during TFG’s first go around. Now, several years later, TFG says it outright that he has ambitions for Canada. Wonder what Tim is thinking these days?
Meanwhile, I am still waiting on the Immigration Dept to deliver the report on my paternal grandparents (the Candians), that I ordered last July. By the spelling on my dad’s birth certificate, he should have been born after his parents were naturalized. If not, then he was a Canadian by birth. He never said anything about being naturalized, so, if he was actually a Canadian, when TFG has SCOTUS invalidate the citizenship clause of the 14th, then I am Canadian. Awkward.
Steve
He literally did not think. He was critical of those who do. He could have been an American.
My parents came here with a green card and then became US citizens. I was born under a green card here.
Would I still be a US citizen by your definitions?
The truth he is only interested in going after Latinos and Muslims. But if he gets into exterminations he will go after everyone. The Latinos who voted for him…LOL…why?
So you’d have to own a cell phone in order to vote? That’s even more expensive than a voter ID. Don’t let the ACLU hear about it.
DB2
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If SCOTUS holds the citizenship section of the 14th invalid, as far as I know, the definition of who is a citizen would revert to the Civil Rights Act of 1866:
That all persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States;
If your parents were, for instance, British subjects at the time of your birth, then you would be a British citizen, not USian. If you were then included when they were naturalized, you would then be a USian.
Oh, I bet they would be interested in anyone who attracted their attention, in the wrong way.
Steve
“ To be clear, voters already must attest to being U.S. citizens when they register to vote and noncitizens can face fines, prison and deportation if they lie and are caught.”
Presenting ID is something I understand, proof of citizenship is silly. Why don’t they know who is a citizen or not when you register. There shouldn’t be a need to attest as they should know when you register to vote; and then the crime is registering to vote if you are not a citizen.
Maybe the US can clear up people supporting a national ID by having the ID clearly demonstrate Citizens from PR (Green card holders) from Working visas. That maybe get some support from the right to embrace a national ID.
Very true which is more dangerous than it is worth. I won’t be sticking around for that.
Too late. We have already been there. Ever watch “Fahrenheit 9/11”? One of the segments is about a small anti-war group, small enough to hold their meetings in a member’s living room. They were the subject of a government surveillance program, because they spoke out against the wars of the early 2000s.
Steve
People left Germany if they could all the way up to 1939…and then during the war.
That’s my biggest concern tfg starts a war. People have lost their senses with this crapper.
It had never been a big issue, until all the “replacement”, and “rigged and stolen” conspiracy theories started. I have read reports of people who had been registered for decades, then the state comes around and demands proof of citizenship.
I have told the story before, of trying to get the gold star “Real ID” logo on my license. The birth certificate I have had, all my life, and the certificate of birth registration from the city of Dearborn, which had been enough for the Navy, decades ago, were both rejected. I had to go to the County Clerk’s office, pay a fee, and order a certified birth certificate. But that “Real ID” logo, only shows that you have documentation of who you are, not that you are a citizen.
Add the fact that certified birth certificates are not free, so requiring one runs afoul of the law against imposing a 'poll tax" to be able to vote.
Steve
I should’ve made it clearer by saying “able to also” vote on cell phone. I’d never advocate restrictive voting.
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He is looking for a garbage wedge issue.
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Ongoing wedgies for life (and beyond)?