Mortgage rates

BREAKING NEWS! Mortgage rates have risen to almost 5 percent! Oh no! The sky is falling. Sell everything! (Particularity DDOG, S, BILL, NET, UPST, MNDY)

I mean, really if interest rates jump 65 percent in a quarter, at this rate the will be 27 percent in a year and we are all RUINED! Ruined I say! Buy gold and bullets!

Ok, enough hysteria. Yes mortgage rates are now at 5 percent. I did a little math. Actually, didn’t, used an online calculator. For a typical 300,000 dollar house with 20
percent down, the mortgage with typical insurance and taxes will be about 1300 a month at 3 percent interest. (2400 for taxes and 1000 for insurance per year, note: that ain’t happenen in Florida) To get the same payment, assuming same taxes and insurance, the house price
must drop to about 250,000 dollars. This is a little
less than 20 percent. If my condo fell in price by 20 percent it I would still be 20
percent up in 24 months. This would not bankrupt me.

Further, lowering the purchase price of houses would reduce cash needed at closing and potentially reduce property taxes, this is especially important in high property tax states, think Texas.

There would be some economic head winds as tax revenue would fall among other things.

This is not to say the economy will not enter a recession. My model of three inputs, Energy, Capital and Labor currently shows that the economy has significant problems. All three inputs are now dear. Labor is in short supply, Oil, the primary energy input is selling above its 10 year moving average and capital costs have made a step
change up by more than 50 percent, with more increases planned.

If these persist, an economic
contraction is very likely very soon.

But, mortgage rates by themselves are not any type of Armageddon.

Cheers
Qazulight

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FYI. Here are the current numbers.
median house price is $389,000 and 12% down payment.
https://www.redfin.com/us-housing-market
https://themortgagereports.com/60543/average-down-payment-on…
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance/average-down-payment…

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Further, lowering the purchase price of houses…

Why do you think higher mortgage rates necessarily means home prices will go down? I can see it making it difficult to buy as much house as you could have before, but you still have to live somewhere and rents are crazier than mortgages by far. We have a supply issue here, and many of the transactions we are seeing are cash purchases, often by corporations who are buying SFHs wholesale, and by the Bank of Mom and Dad. With the multiple offers over ask on the first weekend of a listing, often with no appraisal and limited inspection if any, there is no reason for house prices to decline.

I expect the insane rate of price increase to slow down with rising rates, but the decline in housing will only happen when demand is less than supply, probably caused by rent controls put in place to keep rents suppressed, lowering the desire of corporations to snatch up homes, or a restructuring of tax benefits on rental properties for corporations.

IP

I expect the insane rate of price increase to slow down with rising rates, but the decline in housing will only happen when demand is less than supply, probably caused by rent controls put in place to keep rents suppressed, lowering the desire of corporations to snatch up homes, or a restructuring of tax benefits on rental properties for corporations.

IP,

I expect demand to collapse due to demographics. Of course I thought Covid deaths would free up houses. Oh, well.

Cheers
Qazulight

I expect demand to collapse due to demographics. Of course I thought Covid deaths would free up houses. Oh, well.

As they always say with real estate - location, location, location. Demand may collapse in parts of the country. Ask Steve about Michigan. But here where I am near Raleigh, NC, demand keeps growing. It is increasing faster than supply. New companies to the area and company expansions are adding to the employment base. Apple is bringing 3000 jobs. Google is bringing 1000. Fidelity is expanding with another 500. Fujifilm Diosynth is building a new pharmaceutical plant. Right now, the growth in jobs and population is showing no signs of slowing down.

PSU

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I expect demand to collapse due to demographics.

“Collapse” and “demographics” don’t go together. That’s because demographic changes, due to its very definition, are slow. Unless you meant collapse over a generation (~20 years) or perhaps over half a generation (~10 years).

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“Collapse” and “demographics” don’t go together. That’s because demographic changes, due to its very definition, are slow.

Kind of like when a geologist talks about a catastrophic change that takes place over a million years.

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