My best explanations of How Nutanix works

I have been trying refine a explanation on how Nutanix works that can be understood by people with no IT background. I often find that people that have no background in computer architecture often fail to have a good understanding about what Nutanix does.

I also found that it’s almost impossible for a Non-IT person to get the gist of what Nutanix does simply by reading Nutanix’s website or reading information about computer architecture on different website’s dedicated to the subject.

The thing that made the basics of Nutanix click for me would be that I had to have a visual representation of what computer network architecture looks like, in order to make the basic knowledge of what Nutanix does understandable.

A expert on computer architecture could blather on all day about NAS, nodes, hypervisors, VM and unless a person sees a visual representation of how everything fits together then it can be hard to understand many concepts.

I posted the following explanation about Nutanix on the paid Nutanix common boards here: http://discussion.fool.com/4056/the-best-explanations-of-how-nut…

The explanation contains two videos which shows a visual on how traditional computing architecture gets put together as well as a visual on what Hyperconverged Infrastructure looks like.

If anything in the following explanation would be in error, I would hope some people familiar with either computer architecture or Nutanix would jump in and show me where to make the corrections. I want to make it easier for people to understand the company.

The following is my revised version of what I posted on the paid Nutanix common boards

Here we go:

I think what confuses people about Nutanix would be that Nutanix likes to heavily promote their cloud management product which is something they call the “Enterprise Cloud” which seems to be a marketing term used to promote Nutanix’s cloud management products. In this post, I am NOT going to discuss Nutanix’s cloud management products but discuss their Hyperconverged Infrastructure product.

If a investor does not have the basic definitions of what a cloud would be and what Hyperconverged infrastructure/Virtualization would be and understand that the cloud and Hyperconverged infrastructure/Virtualization would be two separate things then a Non-IT person can be easily confused about what Nutanix does.

That’s not just my opinion:

The IT industry has a habit of bending and distorting any technical term until the meaning is no longer clear. A term originally associated with a straightforward idea is diluted to meaninglessness by marketing teams as vendor after vendor tries to convince everyone that the new term describes something they’ve been doing all along.

https://www.stratoscale.com/blog/hyperconvergence/hyperconve…

That would be lesson 1 about the IT industry…different ideas can get blended and if one does not learn how to clearly define things, then one can get easily confused.

From what I currently know, Nutanix did not technically start out as a “cloud player” or a “private cloud player”…despite what the Nutanix website says in the “What we do” portion which talks about Enterprise clouds https://www.nutanix.com/what-we-do/. Nutanix started out by building innovative data center infrastructure (both hardware and software) and would be known more to the IT world as a hyper-converged infrastructure pioneer and not as much as a cloud player. Yet, if one looks Nutanix up on wikipedia, Nutanix gets described as a cloud computing software company:

Nutanix is a cloud computing software company that sells what it calls hyper-converged infrastructure (HCI) appliances and software-defined storage.

cont’d

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutanix

So, right from the beginning wikipedia conflates the terms the “cloud” and “hyper-converged infrastructure” and it took me awhile to figure out those two terms really have separate meanings

Nutanix was originally about the data center, not the cloud. Nutanix has slowly been developing cloud products but even to this day, Nutanix has more of a focus on data centers rather than the cloud (although this might change)

The story of Nutanix would be mostly this one:

Once upon a time, IT organizations wanted to centralize the management of IT resources, consolidate systems, increase resource-utilization rates, and lower costs. Innovative storage companies came up with converged computing as a solution.

The four core aspects of a data center seem to be compute, storage, networking and server virtualization. In a traditional computer architecture, all four core aspects might all be contained in a different box and networked together. The biggest problem with that system seems to be the latency and inefficiency of sending communications between different boxes over a network. Also, networking four different boxes together introduces complexity and more failure points.

Converged Infrastructure starts solving the problem by putting some of those four aspects of computing into the same chassis or box.

To gain even more tighter integration all four aspects of computing got put in the same box, even more hardware components were eliminated and had their functions replaced through software. This new computing architecture got called Hyper-converged infrastructure (HCI).

This video explains Hyperconverged Infrastructure. In the initial diagram shown on the video would be what they call “Traditional Architecture”.

After they delete some hardware and add some software defined architecture, they then title the diagram as “Nutanix Architecture”. The Nutanix architecture is what also would be known as Hyper-converged infrastructure (HCI)

Watch the video because it’s important to be able to understand Hyperconvergence and seeing things visually helps make written explanations make more sense:

How Nutanix Works: Technical Deep Dive with Lukas Lundell & Scott Lowe

VirtualizationSoftware.com’s Scott D. Lowe and Nutanix’ Director of Solutions Engineering Lukas Lundell dig into how Nutanix’ hyperconverged infrastructure architecture achieves massive scale in a small package.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf8Oh62reiI

If one has watched the video, one might find that traditional computing architecture has a central storage separate from the server which requires communications back and forth from the server over a network which can create latency and network issues.

In order to get rid of problems like latency, hyperconverged infrastructure gets rid of the centralized storage system, also called (NAS) Network-attached storage and replaces it with localized storage that gets attached to each server (node). The localized storage gets known as (DAS) Direct-attached storage. That eliminates the network between computer storage and the server.

The Central storage (NAS) is a hardware entity and the (DAS) Direct-attached storage has more software definition in a distributed system.

They don’t show it in that video but the hypervisor would be the feature that creates the Virtual Machine that sits on top of the server.

In this second video, they include the Hypervisor in the explanation. The Hypervisor sits as a layer between the server and virtual machine. The hypervisor abstracts the server hardware into a Virtual Machine:

Simple Explanation of How Nutanix Works

This animation explains how the technology behind the Nutanix Virtual Computing Platform works.

This is the ideal starting point for gaining an understanding of the Nutanix technology evolution.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfFuohZwi5Q

Some terms one might want to know:

NAS - Network-attached storage. This would simply be storage accessed over a computer network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-attached_storage

DAS - Direct-attached storage . This would be digital storage directly attached to the server accessing it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-attached_storage

VM - Virtual Machine In computing, a virtual machine (VM) is an emulation of a computer system. Virtual machines are based on computer architectures and provide functionality of a physical computer. Their implementations may involve specialized hardware, software, or a combination. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine

Nutanix Acropolis is the operating system for the Nutanix hyper-converged infrastructure platform. Acropolis essentially has the features that get lightly mentioned in the videos like features for data protection in case a node/server fails or automated data tiering (How many nodes/servers the data gets backed up on), etc.

So, any time, a person sees “Hyperconverged Infrastructure”, that has little to nothing to do with a traditional definition of the cloud even though Nutanix plasters all over it’s website the term Enterprise Cloud https://www.nutanix.com/what-we-do/. It’s because of all of Nutanix’s different products, blending of different marketing terms and some of the features of Nutanix’s Hyperconverged products that make it near cloud-like, it can totally bamboozle a Non-IT person as to what Nutanix does. I also strongly suspect that the blending of cloud and Hyperconvergence technologies can also make it difficult for IT people to explain the subject clearly so Non-IT people can understand

The two best simple definition of the difference between a cloud and Hyperconverged infrastructure that I could find:

Many technologists—myself* included—have argued that the minimum requirement to be considered a cloud is a self-service portal. Simply standing up a hypervisor and lighting up VMs is virtualization. It is not a cloud.

https://www.stratoscale.com/blog/hyperconvergence/hyperconve…

AND

Virtual resources need to be allocated into centralized pools before they’re called clouds, and those clouds need to be orchestrated by management and automation software before it’s considered cloud computing. Clouds deliver the added benefits of self-service access, automated infrastructure scaling, and dynamic resource pools, which most clearly distinguish it from traditional virtualization.

https://www.redhat.com/en/topics/cloud-computing/cloud-vs-vi…

What’s a Pool?

In computer science, a pool is a collection of resources that are kept ready to use, rather than acquired on use and released afterwards. In this context, resources can refer to system resources such as file handles, which are external to a process, or internal resources such as objects. A pool client requests a resource from the pool and performs desired operations on the returned resource. When the client finishes its use of the resource, it is returned to the pool rather than released and lost.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_(computer_science)

Now, if some random person without a IT background says something like, “A Hypervisor creates the cloud”, well he might then be berated by a expert in this subject for not understanding the difference between the Virtualization/hyperconverged computing, the cloud, the Private cloud, the Distributed Cloud and the Enterprise Cloud (I suspect the Enterprise Cloud is marketing term for Hybrid cloud) . I think most people would have difficulty in clearly explaining the difference between many of those terms.

What cloud computing in it’s bare essence accomplishes seems to allow application developers to take direct control of their workloads instead of having the IT department manage their workload for them. At it’s essence, the cloud can put the IT department out of business. Things would be a lot more complicated than that but I just want to keep things simple

I will probably continue to refine this explanation as time goes on as I find any errors or gain understanding or find different language to explain things better.

I will also eventually get into Nutanix’s cloud products because increasingly Nutanix has been adding cloud products to it’s expertise.

Starrob

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Very interesting for me because I like to understand the business model including what the company sells, thank you! I’ve been out of IT for quite some time. What the Nvidia Architecture, or Hyperconverged Infrastructure reminded me of were EMC’s RAID arrays but on steroids. Not only is the data backed up (RAID arrays) but the whole datacenter. It’s amazing how much clutter is replaced by simplified connections and software to manage it. I wonder how it impacts NetApp’s NAS and SAN – do they go away?

In its day EMC was one of the fastest growing IT investments one could find. Now, if someone just explained CLOUD as simply…

Denny Schlesinger

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Denny,
NetApp not going away, but they did come out with their HCI offering:
https://www.netapp.com/us/products/converged-systems/hyper-c…

DellEMC still does SAN arrays and just introduced PowerMax which is VMax on steroids. But they also do HCI via VxRail and to a separate extent VMware does it via VSan or VSan ready nodes.

HPE still does SAN via their 3Par and Nimble offerings, but also bought SimpliVity for an HCI offering. Prior to SimpliVity, HPE was leveraging their legacy Lefthand Storage VSA product in an HCI solution, but as HPE often does, they just decided to buy a more well-known brand.

Cisco doesn’t do SAN solutions, although they partner in larger converged systems with NetApp (FlexPod) and Cisco/VMware/EMC created a separate company called VCE to produce vBlock. Cisco did buy a smaller HCI company and their solution is called Hyperflex and utilizes their UCS server line.

Nutanix is the only real well-known pure play HCI, although they are expanding their software/cloud offerings beyond HCI.

Lenovo doesn’t make their own HCI solution, but resells Nutanix.

Some larger enterprises simply don’t feel HCI is ready for prime time on certain applications, and so HCI won’t be displacing SAN/NAS completely anytime soon. And while 70% of CIOs have a “cloud first” strategy, it turns out that 50% of their apps seem to be on a path back to private cloud/on-prem, due to security concerns or rising costs of public cloud: https://www.crn.com/businesses-moving-from-public-cloud-due-…

Thus the future, at least in the here and now, seems to be a mixed or hybrid Cloud environment. If people say “Multi-cloud” they just literally mean that it is some combination of 2+ public clouds and possibly with private/on-prem cloud.

Cloud was supposed to make it easy, right???

Virtualization was a big wave.
Public cloud is/was a big wave.
I think one of the next big waves is Multi-cloud management, which is done via CMP or Cloud Management Platforms.

So who came out with CMPs? Many on the list above…ha…shocker.

This ties back to Nutanix because I feel people focus too much on trying to understand what HCI is vs understanding why a particular company should do well, from a stock perspective.

HPE, Cisco, DellEMC-VMware, Lenovo all have large mature businesses in the server, storage, and networking spaces, and in many cases their bread and butter products are becoming commoditized and have been under threat due to the migration to public cloud. So even if they have the best HCI or CMP solutions, I don’t see the upside in their stock.

Nutanix is the pure play on HCI, who also has new plays on CMP and other cloud/SaaS solutions, has a hungry/aggressive sales force with a growing but still comparatively limited portfolio of solutions to sell. They can be more laser-focused as a result.

This is where Pure has some similarities, but they are still more hardware than software, and every company listed above also does all-flash, so they have much tougher competition (imo) from NetApp and EMC and Nimble. Whereas if those vendors compete against Nutanix/HCI they have to kind of either bash HCI and try to sell SAN or they say “we have HCI, too” but they aren’t as polished as selling HCI since they aren’t a pure play.

Nutanix has a ton of momentum built up in HCI alone, that should drive the stock for another year easily. The question then becomes do we see them form another foundation of material revenue from Calm, Beam, Era, Epoch, Frame, and XI…all these new solutions that have in their sales toolkit. My pure guess at this point is that they don’t have success across the board, but find a couple solid new revenue streams from that group to complement HCI.

I always play it Q/ER by Q/ER to see the results, but I have an itchy trigger finger that once they hit or come close to hitting their stated $3b in billings goal I may sell if I see any dip in growth rate. HCI will eventually have a declining growth rate, so it is a matter if their Other Bets start to surge and offset any HCI decline.

For me, the above is the only reasoning that matters in owning NTNX stock.

Dreamer

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Good post Dreamer!

HPE, Cisco, DellEMC-VMware, Lenovo all have large mature businesses in the server, storage, and networking spaces, and in many cases their bread and butter products are becoming commoditized and have been under threat due to the migration to public cloud. So even if they have the best HCI or CMP solutions, I don’t see the upside in their stock.

Commoditization is the bane of IT!

I always play it Q/ER by Q/ER to see the results, but I have an itchy trigger finger that once they hit or come close to hitting their stated $3b in billings goal I may sell if I see any dip in growth rate. HCI will eventually have a declining growth rate, so it is a matter if their Other Bets start to surge and offset any HCI decline.

For me, the above is the only reasoning that matters in owning NTNX stock.

New architectures pop up on a regular basis in IT. Old ones don’t die, they just fade away. I wish I could find more pure plays like Nvidia to invest in. “Q/ER by Q/ER” is not LTBH!

NVDA, PVTL, PSTG, ANET are my current IT picks because I think they are close to pure plays. Were I to sell any I would replace it with MDB.

Denny Schlesinger

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HCI is estimated by 2022 or 2021 or some such thing to equate to 50% of database architecture. I don’t have the current percentage of where it is at, but the entire market grew 74% or so last quarter.

As for marketshare, HPE and Cisco are both in the high 4%, with Cisco taking share from HPE last quarter, but it may just be within the statistical error range. NTAP just entered the market and they may have a few million in revenues, basically an asterisk.

The only two players are VMWare and Nutanix. IDC has VMware taking large chunks of market share (something like 11 or 12 points over the last 9 months or so) while at the same time Nutanix also gained a few points of marketshare.

However, it is not that simple to calculate actual marketshare as it all gets mixed up. As an example, Nutanix sells its product, without the support of Cisco, on Cisco hardware. Are any of these OEM sales attributed to Nutanix? Since Cisco won’t break it out for us, probably not. I would not be surprised if Nutanix was their best selling product as well.

So all in all VMWare and Nutanix are head to head, and together have 70% or more of the entire software market, with their share growing. HCI therefore has a lot of room for growth ahead for sure.

Xi however is way behind its scheduled release date. I do think once the Xi overhang is removed some o the perceived risk with Nutanix will also disappear. Then we shall see how these new products sell, and Sherlock is intriguing but probably a year or so away.

Tinker

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Ugh. Starrob’s been recently posting nonsense and incorrect information about things he doesn’t understand to the paid NTNX board and for some reason decided to continue here. He asked for corrections here, but has been unreceptive to the corrections I’ve already posted there. He also compounded the issue by adopting an authoritative tone when he’s actually trying to figure all this out himself via Google.

He’s finally getting a tiny bit better at it. The videos to which he links are fine, if outdated (4 and 3 years old). The Nutanix of today is different. It not only doesn’t even sell hardware any more, it has greatly expanded its offerings.

But, do yourself a favor and realize that Starrob’s explanations of HCI, cloud, cloud computing etc. are often inaccurate or just plain wrong. I don’t know why he delved into Pools. He both wants crisp definitions of terms while at the same time defending his right to be confused.

Perhaps even more importantly, what he’s trying to understand doesn’t help to explain what makes Nutanix competitive or unique, or why an organization would consider their offerings. Without knowing that, all that’s going on is like a distributed cloud raining into data center pools that virtually mean nothing.

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Smorg,
I have been following your posts and I can understand why you might be angry with Starrob, but don’t you think it would be more helpful for all involved to take the bit in your teeth and give a comprehensive answer to actually what Nutanix does rather then telling us all that Starrob is wrong? If you can’t explain what Nutanix is, it really doesn’t help much to tell us what Nutanix isn’t.

Thank you,
Andy

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Trying to rigorously organize and explain what is in essence marketing drivel is an exercise in futility. You actually have to understand the technology to have a reasonable feel for what the company does and what parts of it actually matter.

I don’t know enough about this area to do that, but I know enough to recognize gibberish when I’m hearing it. This sort of approach is not the path to understanding or enlightenment.

-IGU-

but don’t you think it would be more helpful for all involved to take the bit in your teeth and give a comprehensive answer to actually what Nutanix does?

Ummm, I actually did just that more than 3 weeks ago: https://discussion.fool.com/what-nutanix-really-does-33158672.as… , which started with: First, it’s important to understand that the appeal of Nutanix is to replace public cloud usage with Nutanix-run enterprise/private clouds… , went to: What Nutanix provides is an easy way to have the advantages of a private cloud (performance and security and cost), with the ease of cloud management. and ended with: Nutanix has some very cool stuff, but they’re promising more in the future in terms of the “hybrid cloud” than they’re actually delivering today. That may mean the company has a big runway of growth, but there’s also risk in if and when they can actually deliver.

But, my favorite part was explaining what Virtualization is: Like people living in The Matrix, an application running inside a VM thinks it’s running directly on real hardware, but it’s really running in a simulation.

To be fair, it’s far from a perfect post. See subsequent posts in the thread from other contributors for some corrections and additional explanations. Plus, the HCI space and Nutanix in particular are evolving quickly. And, I didn’t talk about Calm, Beam, Flow, or Era.

But, the thing is that until your post, Andy, literally no one else has asked. Besides, as DreamerDad points out, for investment decisions one doesn’t necessarily need to know product details, and especially given this board’s financial & customer growth focus, what the company actually does may not matter at all. Certainly all the recent kerfuffle about nomenclature and whether Nutanix really is a cloud company or not doesn’t matter.

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Smorg,
I have been following your posts and I can understand why you might be angry with Starrob, but don’t you think it would be more helpful for all involved to take the bit in your teeth and give a comprehensive answer to actually what Nutanix does rather then telling us all that Starrob is wrong? If you can’t explain what Nutanix is, it really doesn’t help much to tell us what Nutanix isn’t.

Andy

Andy, I have been attempting to put out a narrative that can explain exactly what Nutanix does and what I just posted was my current best explanation. Some of the things Smorgasborg criticized me for previously have been incorporated in the current narrative, so I am improving it.

I had asked Smorgasborg specific questions on the paid Nutanix board to improve my explanation further, namely:

What is the difference between a public cloud, a private cloud, a distributed cloud and a Enterprise cloud?

And

Can you give a clear explanation, in a way that a Non-IT person can understand, what the difference between Hyperconverged Infrastructure and the cloud?

The answer that I got after much talk about the inaccuracies of previous versions of what posted was this:

I plan no further responses to Starrob here.

Smorgasborg

Even with the post in this thread, he simply criticized the post with implications that it was “wrong” without pointing out in specific what was wrong, so that I can create a new version.

The three to four year videos that I posted, I consider good enough for the basics of Hyperconverged computing. I am making a explanation for non-IT people. I am not trying to create a course to teach people how to operate data centers. I want to make things have to be simple enough for Non-IT people to understand.

If Smorgasborg has something to improve my explanation without over-complicating the explanation than I would like to hear the improvements.

I am not a fan of simply bashing or criticizing my explanation without pointing out in specific what would be wrong because no one learns a thing that way.

I believe that there might be more than a few IT guys that have talked about Nutanix here and elsewhere on the Fool and despite that there still would be Non-IT people wondering “What is a Hypervisor?” would be or “What does Nutanix do?”

That leads me to believe that either people who have the expertise in this area can not explain it clearly enough for non-IT people to understand or the people that have the knowledge inside their head have not been willing to share it with the community.

Starrob

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Look, I for one appreciate respect for all posters.

Second, you are correct that Nutanix is in a risky period, particularly w Xi being so late for delivery and still uncertainty as to whether it will be a successful product or not. That is real risk w Nutanix at present and may largely explain the current valuation. Uncertainty is despised by large investors, but allows smaller investors opportunity.

It is a real risk. A Nutanix investment is investment based upon Nutanix’s brilliant record and extrapolating that they will continue to be just as brilliant moving forward. That
Is a pretty good presumption w this company.

No one is perfect however. A year from now Sherlock may be the uncertainty. Sherlock is the project that extends HCI and then cloud to IoT making all of it one indivisible network abstraction. A very bold vision that Nutanix already has in process.

They deliver…boom! They don’t deliver…not a boom :boom:.

Thus Nutanix is presently in a vulnerable interim period. Opportunity is large if they succeed, less so if they do not.

Tinker

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Starrob,

I appreciated your post. It was informative and created room for discussion so we can learn more.

Tinker

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Hi Smorg,

Ummm, I actually did just that more than 3 weeks ago: https://discussion.fool.com/what-nutanix-really-does-33158672.as…… , which started with: First, it’s important to understand that the appeal of Nutanix is to replace public cloud usage with Nutanix-run enterprise/private clouds… , went to: What Nutanix provides is an easy way to have the advantages of a private cloud (performance and security and cost), with the ease of cloud management. and ended with: Nutanix has some very cool stuff, but they’re promising more in the future in terms of the “hybrid cloud” than they’re actually delivering today. That may mean the company has a big runway of growth, but there’s also risk in if and when they can actually deliver.

Great, Thanks for that. I appreciate it. Maybe that link should be your response to Starrob.

But, the thing is that until your post, Andy, literally no one else has asked. Besides, as DreamerDad points out, for investment decisions one doesn’t necessarily need to know product details, and especially given this board’s financial & customer growth focus, what the company actually does may not matter at all. Certainly all the recent kerfuffle about nomenclature and whether Nutanix really is a cloud company or not doesn’t matter.

I agree, but there always will be people who will try to project that they understand something more deeply then they really do. This can cloud the investment opportunity. I appreciate your willingness to try to clear this up and I understand your frustration when people try to explain something that they really do not understand. I think a rudimentary understanding is good “enough” also but it is helpful to have people that deeply understand the subject. That is why it is great that there are many people on this board that understand their specific technology and can help all of us flesh out our investment thesis.

Thanks Smorg for your response and I will take time to go through your link.

Andy

Starrob,

Andy, I have been attempting to put out a narrative that can explain exactly what Nutanix does and what I just posted was my current best explanation. Some of the things Smorgasborg criticized me for previously have been incorporated in the current narrative, so I am improving it.

I had asked Smorgasborg specific questions on the paid Nutanix board to improve my explanation further, namely:

Don’t take this wrong but you have been trying to explains something that you clearly do not have a grasp on. If you have ever tried to teach someone, you can understand, when a student starts extrapolating ideas that are clearly wrong, and then teaching others those ideas. I think it is best to ask the expert questions instead of telling the experts how something works. Having respect for another persons expertise will create a better learning environment especially on these boards where everything is so linear.

Andy

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If Smorgasborg has something to improve my explanation without over-complicating the explanation than I would like to hear the improvements.

Let’s be clear here. It’s not like Starrob posted something like: “I think Nutanix does this, am I right?” No, he used an authoritative tone when he posted what he thought Nutanix did, yet those posts contained factual errors. Not only that, he first did so in a thread where I had already posted some explanations of how Nutanix works, yet he didn’t reference anything in that post. It was just him going off on his own google “learnings.”

Some of the things Smorgasborg criticized me for previously have been incorporated in the current narrative, so I am improving it.
AND
he simply criticized the post with implications that it was “wrong” without pointing out in specific what was wrong, so that I can create a new version.

Inconsistent statements on my criticism’s usefulness from Starrob aside, he is even inaccurate about recalling the past! The response to which he refers was, and I quote myself: “I don’t have the time or inclination to go point by point, but here’s one obvious example” and I gave the specifics. Unfortunately, Starrob responded with counter arguments and even more incorrect information, not a “thanks for the explanation.”

He then has the gall to write here:
The answer that I got after much talk about the inaccuracies of previous versions of what posted was this:

I plan no further responses to Starrob here.

Which again is inaccurate. My response there was not about the many inaccuracies in his explanations, but in response to him attempting to chastise me for not answering a question that was posted in that thread. Well, it turns out the question was about a statement that Starrob himself had made!

I didn’t answer the question because I didn’t know the answer. The question is and was legitimate. Heck, I still don’t know the answer to the question of what Starrob meant by "Hyperconvergence makes one’s own servers respond like the public cloud would.

Maybe he can answer that question now.

Actually, I think that before he posts anything else on Nutanix, Starrob should explain what he meant by that.

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"Hyperconvergence makes one’s own servers respond like the public cloud would.

Smorgasbord1 |

You seem to only want to point out statements where I show that I do not understand something and yet refuse to answer questions when I do ask. I have asked you multiple times, “What is the difference between Hyperconvergence and the private cloud?” I still have difficulty understanding the exact difference and ever since I asked that question, instead of answering you have only responded with criticism.

Starrob

Don’t take this wrong but you have been trying to explains something that you clearly do not have a grasp on. If you have ever tried to teach someone, you can understand, when a student starts extrapolating ideas that are clearly wrong, and then teaching others those ideas. I think it is best to ask the expert questions instead of telling the experts how something works. Having respect for another persons expertise will create a better learning environment especially on these boards where everything is so linear.

Andy

If you would look at my first post in this thread, it incorporates what I have learned from Smorgasborg. Read Smorgasborg explanation here: http://discussion.fool.com/4056/maybe-it-doesn39t-matter-but-the…

If a person would not be in IT then his explanation might be a bit hard to decipher. I am attempting to make something that someone that is not in IT can get a better handle on which would be why I included videos in my first post.

The videos have experts from Nutanix, explaining what they do with a visual representation of what would be going on. Yes, the videos would be three to four years old but they would be simplistic. I find that a better way for a non-IT person to learn rather than a detailed written explanation with no visual representation of the architecture.

If someone wants to criticize that explanation then point out what in specific would be wrong with it, so I can revise it and improve it until it would be both simple enough for a non-IT person to understand and be accurate.

Also, what happens when people refuse to answer the questions that are asked?

I want to know the difference between Hyperconvergence and the private cloud? which I have asked multiple times with no answer.

Starrob

Starrob,

I appreciated your post. It was informative and created room for discussion so we can learn more.

Tinker

As you know…Hyperconvergence would only be one piece of what Nutanix does. My first post would essentially be where Nutanix started. Nutanix started in data center architecture (making both hardware and software) and now they would be moving toward becoming a pure software company while also expanding into the cloud.

I felt it would be necessary to gain that initial understanding of what Nutanix does before explaining some of Nutanix’s other products, namely their cloud management products and Xi, the public cloud initiative.

My first explanations were very confusing because I did not understand the difference between Hyperconvergence and the cloud. I still ask that question…“What is the difference between Hyperconvergence and the cloud?” and I have yet to see a answer from anyone reading the post where I asked that question. Even harder question would be “What is the difference between Hyperconvergence and the private cloud?”

I also think that you would be correct, that Xi being delayed has created uncertainty in Nutanix’s stock.

I am eventually going to get into a fuller explanation of Nutanix that includes what the private cloud is or what I think it is. I suspect that the reason that there’s few answers to that question would be because “Private Cloud” might be somewhat a blend between a marketing term and a technical term.

Starrob

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Just as a aside the following video from VMware shows some specific reasons why a company might choose a Hyperconverged solution over traditional computer architecture. Among the biggest reasons being a HCL solutions would be easier for a company with growing data needs to scale:

Here is what business decision makers need to know about the benefits of hyper-converged infrastructure (HCI). HCI is disrupting the traditional storage and data center markets because it creates enormous value through simplified management, consolidated resources, and reduced costs. Additionally, HCI provides the ideal platform to build a private cloud. Learn more about VMware HCI Solutions

Video: https://youtu.be/qbKCukjgJVs

Among the reasons why I keep asking what would be the difference between a Hyperconverged solution and a private cloud would be because companies like VMware make claims that a private cloud can be built on top of a Hyperconverged Platform. What would be the thing that changes a Hyperconverged Platform into a private cloud?

Starrob

"Hyperconvergence makes one’s own servers respond like the public cloud would.

Smorgasbord1

That’s an incorrect attribution! I did not say that! Starrob said that! Jeez, in how many different ways an Starrob be wrong?

What I did say was:
Actually, I think that before he posts anything else on Nutanix, Starrob should explain what he meant by that.

Which, of course, Starrob didn’t do and apparently won’t do.

I have asked you multiple times, “What is the difference between Hyperconvergence and the private cloud?”

Hmm. I honestly thought that was yet another Starrob gotcha challenge. At this point, his questions are just crying “wolf!” to me.

If anyone who’s not Starrob cares, I’ll do my best. But, past exchanges with Starrob have not been such that I am anxious to engage in a point by point or question by question. Ain’t gonna happen anymore, folks.

My first explanations were very confusing because I did not understand the difference between Hyperconvergence and the cloud. I still ask that question…“What is the difference between Hyperconvergence and the cloud?”

This is TOO much! His first explanations were confusing because he didn’t know the difference between HCI and “the cloud” and yet despite still not knowing he continues to post “explanations.”

He’s literally telling us to ignore him when he explains anything about Nutanix.

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I have asked you multiple times, “What is the difference between Hyperconvergence and the private cloud?” Starrob

Hmm. I honestly thought that was yet another Starrob gotcha challenge. At this point, his questions are just crying “wolf!” to me.

If anyone who’s not Starrob cares, I’ll do my best. But, past exchanges with Starrob have not been such that I am anxious to engage in a point by point or question by question.

Ain’t gonna happen anymore, folks.

Smorgasbord1

What’s a gotcha in that question? You first tell me that I should ask questions and then when I do, you refuse to answer. Instead you walk away from answering. If you won’t answer then I will eventually go out and search for specific answers myself.

Is that a difficult question to answer? Tell me where any “gotcha” would be?

The other question that I asked was, “What is the private cloud?

This would be the best definition that I can find right now:

Every Cloud model comes with a different set of security and cost related implications. This makes it all the more important for you to decide the right one which fits your business and infrastructure needs.

In this video, James Staten, VP, Principle Analyst, Forrester Research Inc., discusses the transformational economics of 4 different models of the Cloud – public, private, virtual private and the hosted private and how they vary from each other.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVYMQwSbTSk

Starrob

Great, Thanks for that. I appreciate it. Maybe that link should be your response to Starrob.

Actually, a version of that linked post, on the paid NTNX board, was in direct response to what Starrob posted there - 3 weeks ago!

This can cloud the investment opportunity.

Nice pun there!

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