My Pivot to Fundamentals Investing

Hi All,

About one year ago, I joined Jonah Lupton’s service, and he became my de facto Mentor. He’s the best investor I’ve ever come across. See his returns below:

I read his notes daily and reviewed all his holdings since he started his service in 2020. I have no relationship with Jonah, other than asking him questions from time to time and being a subscriber & I am not here to plug him. In 10 days, he is cutting back his service to make it much more basic as he is starting a hedge fund this summer. I just wanted to highlight some of the things I’ve learned from him over the past year and how it has influenced my investing style. He has core holdings, which are his long term buy and hold stocks. Besides this, he does swing trades, hedging, occasional shorts, etc. I’m mostly a long-term investor (not a trader) so I have focused on his core holdings and what I can learn.

Here are some of the things I’ve learned or incorporated into my investing style:

-Obviously the first trick is to find the best growth companies with defensible MOATS such as NVDA, APP, RDDT, HOOD, NU, AMZN, etc. Nothing new here. You don’t need to buy hypergrowth. Sometimes an undervalued mega-cap like META in 2022 is a much better choice.

-Trim or sell completely if a stock becomes over-valued. You can always buy it back later if the valuation becomes reasonable again. There is nothing wrong with selling out completely on an over-valued stock. It’s ok to take profits.

-Average down whenever you can and look for pull-backs to add. I never understood the whole, it’s going up, so it makes me want to buy more theory. David Gardner used to say something like “Only a dip buys the dip.” Short-term movements of the stock market are often meaningless & arbitrary. Sectors go in and out of favor. Market tends to over-react in both directions. I like to average down, not up. Just because your stock went up over the past few weeks doesn’t mean you should buy more.

-Diversify to at least a dozen stocks. Growth stocks are risky, with high Beta. You’re better off with some diversification. Don’t ever put more than 15-20% in one stock. Remember Upstart? I put 25% going into earnings, big mistake. Never again. Small and mid-caps should be balanced out with some mega-caps, etc. Diversify industries, themes, etc. If you remember when many of us lost 50-80% of our portfolio in 2021-2022 by owning mostly SaaS, then this one should be easy to remember. I’m not a gambler, maybe you are, but hoping an earthquake doesn’t hit Taiwan or Elon Musk doesn’t lose his mind is gambling. I lived in Taiwan and was in many earthquakes there and Elon is a loose cannon, there is no doubt.

-Hedge your bets. Keep at least 10% in cash. If you use any margin, make sure you hedge by shorting TQQQ, IWM, ARKK, etc. to mitigate risk.

-Mostly ignore trailing metrics - they are mostly meaningless. Forward metrics are what good investors keep an eye on.

-Buy mostly profitable stocks at reasonable valuations. Let’s take XYZ stock as an example, I have a 4% position, XYZ is the lame new ticker for Block (formerly Square):

The key is to look for stocks where the NTM EV/EBITA is .5 or less the Fwd 2-Yr EBITA CAGR. This is Jonah’s favorite metric. In this case, we see that the ratio is approx. .3 so if everything else checks out then there is likely a lot of upside. Obviously as the ratio gets closer to one, we can use it as a rough guide to see that a stock may be “fairly valued.”

For example, I loaded up at APP last summer, made it a top position as I liked the company, and the ratio was somewhere around .25, if memory serves. Now the ratio is about .72 so I would consider it roughly closer to fairly valued. I still have a 11% position but obviously I took a lot of profits as it run up 500% or so over the last 6 months.

-The biggest change is I stay far away from overvalued stocks like Axon. It is expected to grow around 21% this year but is trading around 110 NTM earnings. I stay even farther away from crazy stocks like PLTR trading at 70 x NTM sales or stocks like CRWD or SNOW, where most of the FCF is eaten up by stock-based compensation.

-We all have different styles, and none are necessarily right or wrong. But I’d rather be trying to follow the fundamentals when the next correction or bear market hits. The pull back will be much less, and it is just much less stressful knowing the valuation is very reasonable and the company is profitable. I just can’t invest by hoping the multiple will go from 30 x sales to 60 x sales. PLTR and CRWD are great companies doing great things but I’m not a gambler, I’m an investor.

-I’m not done buying unprofitable companies altogether or story stocks with incredible optionality like Tesla, but I’ll keep them small, if and when I do buy. However, I sleep much better focusing mostly on profitable, undervalued stocks, with a great narrative. And it’s not just about sleeping well, which is more important than making $$. In the long run, I think my returns will be better as well.

-FoolishJeff

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This is portfolio management discussion and is not part of Saul theory. We don’t debate other styles or investigate them here, we focus on the basics that are listed in the FAQ. Can someone lock this thread? Thank you.

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I agree we should not debate other strategies that dilute the communities focus on Saul’s amazingly successful strategy. I am one, however, who cherishes the opportunity to read about alternates - not debate them, but to read about them. We all do not have the same risk tolerance, and just perhaps, a presentation such as this one can contribute to one member’s new found success. Shouldn’t this be our common goal?

Gray

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This is portfolio management discussion and is not part of Saul theory. We don’t debate other styles or investigate them here

I respectfully disagree. Most is discussion of investment investigation, citing another source. Saul cited others too.

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From Saul’s rules in the knowledge base:

Portfolio management is not a subject for this board, and questions about it should be answered off-board if at all. A board which welcomes this subject is the MF Portfolio Management board, which is also a free board.

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The key items of interest were the evaluation portions. Here is one:

And sadly, off-board replies can’t be done any more.

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This is in complete contradiction to Saul’s style of investing. Saul is looking for stocks which are rising, and here is a portion from the Knowledge Base,


Jonah has a 26% allocation in Transmedics right now, and a 12% allocation in Aspen both of which got absolutely hammered this past year. His return of getting 278% last year is extremely fishy as there is no way you get a return like that when your top holdings go down so big. He was loading up on Aspen when it was $30 and now it sits at $11.

He also posted publicly that he was short AXON and short IOT, both of which had big run-ups. I tried to find those tweets and he deleted them after the trades went against him.

While I subscribe to his service because he comes across some interesting names, doubling down on losers is a losing strategy.

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Nothing is stopping you from reading elsewhere. I also do. While here though, we follow the rules of this board. And even with Saul retiring, this is Saul’s board.

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@wpr101 Jonah did briefly short IOT and Axon towards the end of last year, but they were both less than 1% positions. His Portfolio was pretty flat for Q4 - his spreadsheet & activity log details every transaction so there is nothing fishy going on.

Lots of great investors such as Joel Greenblatt and Peter Lynch did really well buying “turnarounds.” I know Saul isn’t much for buying turnarounds but that doesn’t mean it is a bad idea from time to time. Meta in 2022 was a great example of a turnaround. It dropped to 90 in late 2022 and is now over 700. 2023 was the year of efficiency for Zuck. I think it is foolish, not to consider sell-offs that are overdone as potential candidates for stock-picking. I look for mis-priced stocks wherever I can find them. It also fits with the fundamentals style of investing I have outlined above. The point of the board is to discuss great growth stocks, not blindly follow Saul’s strategy like sheep. Although Saul has a lot of wisdom, I think everyone can agree that we should all learn to think and act for ourselves and tweak our own investing style to fit our strengths, learnings, etc. If you read the greats like Phil Fisher, Warren Buffett, etc you can’t help being influenced by them, regardless of the Saul database.

Jonah’s owned TransMedics for over four years and thinks the slowdown is temporary and the sell-off overdone. It’s too early to tell whether ASPN and TMDX will come back. Many folks on this board still have positions in both and the discussion is ongoing.

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From the Knowledge Base,

You are coming to this board and advocating for the genius of an investor who is shorting companies like AXON and IOT. He is using leverage to bet on macro, do option trades, and “swing trades” among other strategies. His strategy is not consistent or disciplined what so ever and not repeatable.

Like I wrote in another thread you cannot be a growth investor and suddenly decide you are now a value investor after a company like Transmedics takes a huge punishment by the market. This board is about a consistent approach to generating wealth from growth investing. It’s not about gambling on macro, options, and leverage like the investor you are advocating for right now. It is also definitely not about doubling and tripling down on companies which have poor earnings reports because we think they are a better value now.

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