Norway may cut energy link

Norway campaigns to cut energy links to Europe as power prices soar

Norway’s two governing parties want to scrap an electricity interconnector to Denmark, with the junior coalition partner also calling for a renegotiation of power links to the UK and Germany, as sky-high prices trigger panic in the rich Nordic country.

A lack of wind in Germany and the North Sea will push electricity prices in southern Norway to NKr13.16 ($1.18) per kilowatt hour on Thursday afternoon, their highest level since 2009 and almost 20 times their level just last week.

DB2

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For those who missed it, the PM of Ontario is threatening to retaliate against TFG’s tariffs by cutting off Canadian power sales to Michigan.

Steve

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But… but… trade wars are easy to win…

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Where is all the hydro-power that has been the backbone of Norwegian electrical power?

I think that because of a shortage of generation from renewables (unreliables?) particularly in Germany [a much larger economy] there is demand pressure on Norway and southern Sweden, resulting in higher pricing.

Beware the dunkelflaute (“dark doldrums”, a period when little or no renewable energy can be generated from wind and solar).

DB2

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From June:

Swedish government says no to new power cable to Germany
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/swedish-government-says-no-new-power-cable-germany-2024-06-14/
The Swedish government has turned down an application to build a new subsea power connection between Sweden and Germany, the 700 megawatts Hansa PowerBridge project, because the German market is not efficient enough, it said on Friday.

“We can’t connect southern Sweden, which has a large deficit in electricity production, with Germany, where the electricity market today does not function efficiently,” Energy Minister Ebba Busch said in a statement.

DB2

The price spikes expose the challenges of an increasingly interdependent European energy system with large amounts of wind on the system. When wind levels drop, price spikes can be felt even in countries without a significant number of turbines.

DB2

Norway has been a net exporter of electricity for many years with cables to Great Britain and Germany. Almost all of their electricity is from Hydro and rest from Wind. I do not see why their electrical prices have risen except for global inflation. If the small Wind sector is down 50%, then they just need to cut back on exports of electricity.

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Have the Norwegians turned capitalistic, and started rationing power by ability to pay?

Steve

One always has to pay for power, one way or another.

It seems the political pressure is coming from Norwegians (and Swedes) having to pay high spot prices because of German policies.

Because the current higher demand/drain from (mostly) Germany. As has been noted in other threads, Germany has installed a lot of intermittent power sources. It is December, and solar can be crossed off the list.

So, when the wind don’t blow Germany needs to slurp up electricity from reliable sources such as hydro from Norway and Sweden.

Beware the dunkelflaute.

DB2

This seems to be about Norway and Sweden selling their electricity to the highest bidder.

Couldn’t they adopt a tiered system where prices are fixed for domestic customers but export prices float?

This seems to be about Norway and Sweden selling their electricity to the highest bidder.

Couldn’t they adopt a tiered system where prices are fixed for domestic customers but export prices float?

That is how I read the OP: Norwegians are bidding against other countries, for Norwegian produced power. This is the sort of situation that produces nationalistic movements.

Steve

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Isn’t the province of Ontario threatening to pull the plug on the electrical energy that they supply to some American States, in response to the threats of tariffs on Canadian products that TFG/TIG says he’s going to impose ?

Reading the book “The Lucky Loser”, I was astonished by what a horrible businessman TFG/TIG has been. Basically the only thing he was good at was licensing his name. He acted rashly and stupidly in so many different business deals. He was often saved by the Deep Pockets of Daddy.

So to all the people saying that TFG/TIG is just using these poorly conceived tariff threats as negotiating ploys, you might want to do a little reading up on the business career of TFG/TIG. I can’t say I blame Ontario 1 bit for standing up to the brash bully. I guess we all get to see who blinks first.

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Yes. I mentioned that upthread. It’s big news here, because metro Detroit is probably where that Canadian power goes.

Care to expand on that a bit?

Steve

I returned the book ( Lucky Loser ) to the library, so can’t cite any examples. He was a rash,impulsive, “always right” egotistical businessman. He bankrupted casinos, he bought property to build a golf course on without checking environmental restrictions on the land. There are about 400 pages of examples in the book, if you’re a reader. Definitely not a book that is going to make you feel optimism about the next 4 years. But I’m not in the bunker yet,lol, but have raised more cash going into the transition since I’ve had since his last tour of duty. Will probably keep rolling over short term treasuries. We’ve all been taught that the Government will do anything to bail out the 1%ers, so if TFG/TIG bungles a future emergency like he bungled covid and crashed the economy, will be able to buy stocks on the cheap, possibly.

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That is what I did on the last go around. Left a lot of loot on the table.

Steve

“Left a lot of loot on the table.”

I rolled in during covid. Made out really well. Total luck, but after the GFC in 2008, just had the feeling that Fed and Government would do anything to keep it from cratering.

Of course, I obviously don’t have the same trust that TFG/TIF and whatever band of incompetents he has in charge will react in a rational manner. They might just say Burn it Down, start over with a new world order.

Cowed media is jumping in line.

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yeah, when prices don’t come down, and Musk hits them with a little “it’ll just be for a little while” austerity, those supporters might start taking a closer look at their unwavering adulation for him. It’s kind of the American way,lol, we luv a comeback, but hate an incumbent.

Anyways, all that matters today is that the Lions are getting SMOKED by Josh Allen and the Bills, LoL

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The base has been indoctrinated with siege mentality: “fighting for survival against a brown invasion.” Normal cost/benefit analysis does not apply.

Steve