OT - Like the Good Old Days

Except that the subs were Soviet at the time not Russian. Towed Array Sonar is passive bearing only unless of course two ships are in contact in which case you have attack criteria where the two bearings cross. A helo active sonar*** or VP (ASW aircraft) in contact could also be substituted for the second cross bearing. It was always preferable to have the VP do the attack as the ships had a limited number of torpedoes and the VP had to go back to home base where he could get more anyway.

*** - the helo would ‘jump’ along the bearing using active sonar until it got hot, then the VP would fly over us (in the dip) on our range and bearing to the sub and drop on our call.

Anymouse <two tours in VP, four tours in Sea Kings (shipborne helos), after that I had to get a real job without all the fun stuff>


Russian submarine collided with British warship part in rare event

By Lindsay Isaac and Sharon Braithwaite, CNN

Updated 6:37 PM ET, Thu January 6, 2022

(CNN)A Russian submarine being tracked by a British naval warship on patrol in the North Atlantic more than a year ago hit a sonar the ship was towing, according to the UK Ministry of Defence.

“In late 2020 a Russian submarine being tracked by HMS Northumberland came into contact with her towed array sonar,” a UK Ministry of Defence spokesperson said in a statement Thursday.
“The Royal Navy regularly tracks foreign ships and submarines in order to ensure the defence of the United Kingdom,” the statement said.

A towed array sonar is a sensor spooled out by a ship when it is deployed.
According to the British Royal Navy, the HMS Northumberland carried out a “vital mission to protect UK waters and the nation’s nuclear deterrent” in 2020.


Seems like the Russians are at least as nostalgic as are you Tim?



During the 1960’s, the US objected to Soviet offensive missiles near our border in Cuba. Fast forward to today and Russia is objecting to missiles near their border in Europe.

The difference is that during the 1960’s there was the possibility of one (or both) of the sides using nukes which seem off the table this time around. During the 1960’s, based on Bay of Pigs, we couldn’t reach their missiles on the ground, but today, Russia retains that potential in Europe.