Precious metals bubble?

@Kingran just posted on the new precious metals board that he has become interested in investing in precious metals for the first time. He even posted links to lurid clickbait videos.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I have been a gold bug since earliest memory. Silver, too. My husband gave me a wedding present of 100 ounces of silver bullion coins (each packed in its own plastic case) because our ketubah mentioned 100 zuzim. (An ancient silver coin – a song mentions that you can buy a goat for 2 zuzim.) Tucked away in my safe deposit box.

That being said, both gold and silver are in classic bubbles. This isn’t the first time. It’s a trap for speculators. The price may be driven by a temporary need to amass the metal which will recede when the supply chain bottleneck eases.

Or is it?

The last time I bought gold was in 2008.
Wendy

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I am not hot on buying gold and silver, but the odds of the US defaulting on the debt are growing.

I won’t invest in gold and silver, but I am with a bank that has gold and silver as their major assets and very little US paper.

US paper might become the highest risk asset to own.

Money markets are 80% plus US paper.

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Where? I am an investor in precious metals for many decades and I don’t post any clickbait video’s. Is someone impersonating me?

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When you say you are “with a bank” what do you mean? If you mean that you have a savings account and your bank is FDIC insured it doesn’t matter what its assets are. Your savings account will be protected up to the FDIC limit even if the bank collapses.

If you mean that you are a shareholder and own stock…that’s a different story.

Wendy

Hmmm…I thought it was you. Can’t find the post now. I apologize if it was someone else.
Wendy

FWIW, I don’t buy commodities. Their price ultimately is entirely whim. A company has an intrinsic value (assets, booked sales, etc). Gold really doesn’t.

I won’t criticize those who buy gold. People have success doing that. I don’t get it. And William Devane’s ads don’t fill me with confidence (i.e. seems like a scam when he presents it on TV, even though it probably isn’t).

To me, gold is a non-corroding metal that is an excellent conductor (and makes pretty rings).

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My personal checking, business checking, business savings are with the bank.

I am not going to count on the FDIC being there. Heads up!!

The bank won’t collapse, but plenty of other financials probably will.

No need to… I am worried about impersonation, that is all. Happy holidays!

Frankly, many are merely repeating what WEB said. No companies have some asset, whose value can also change. Gold is an international currency for 2000 years, and saying it doesn’t have value is not correct. When the central banks are buying gold, you need to rethink how you view gold.

This doesn’t mean you should invest, but don’t dismiss it has no intrinsic value.

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If FDIC isn’t there, everything will have collapsed, and money will be worthless anyway.

My bigger concern is that the FDIC has a pretty low limit, by modern standards. $250K isn’t that much today. I suspect most people on TMF have more than that, and anything above the $250K limit is unprotected.

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In a deflationary economy that is probably not true.

I think a deflationary spiral is about to begin. Unemployment will spiral.

I took 1poorguy’s comment concerning intrinsic value as investment nomenclature as in the true, fundamental worth of an asset, calculated by analyzing its future cash flows, growth potential, and risk, independent of its current market price.

Intrinsic Value: Definition and How It's Determined in Investing and Business .

With that in mind, while gold certainly has value, it does not have “intrinsic” value.

Pete

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I believe the post in question was actually made by @Arindam on the Fools Gold board, er, category, or tag, or something

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@LakeEffect , you’re right!

My apologies to @Kingran !

@Arindam my OP was meant for you. :slight_smile:
Wendy

We a lot less at a couple of banks; our fast liquidity needs are not great. Much larger accounts are spread around at non-bank institutions. SIPC insurance covers up to $500K per.

DB2

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In a major downturn, SIPC will be exhausted quickly.

If that’s the case, so would the FDIC.

DB2

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That is correct.

20/20 hindsight

I believe SIPC (and FDIC) only cover per customer at a given firm. So, if you -for example- bank at Fido, and have a brokerage at FIDO, your coverage is capped. You have to spread it among multiple firms if you have more than the specified limit (either $250K or $500K, depending). Correct?

That is correct (as far as I know). Using multiple institutions is useful, as are multiple accounts. You might have an individual account plus a joint account with your spouse. Each would have a separate $500K limit.

DB2