Shopify future growth prospects

I still own SHOP shares. I read the concerns expressed here back in the day, but decided to ride the momentum bull for longer. So far, that’s paid off, but a recent thread on the paid board made me re-examine my position.

Ironically, while the particular post that set me off was properly talking about not price anchoring, the expressed possibility of another 10-bagger for SHOP awakened my internal skeptic (actually, he’s been wide awake a alot recently). For, when I looked at Shopify’s current Market Cap of $44 Billion (give or take a Billion ;^)), I couldn’t see how SHOP could get to $440 Billion - that would place it in the top of companies world wide. Heck, the grand-daddy of SaaS stocks, Salesforce, is “only” $120ish Billion!

And then I looked at these graphs: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SHOP/shopify/price…

So far in 2019, sales per share have gone from $10.19 to $11.19. However, the stock price has gone from $138 to $385 (actually topped $400 recently). That means the Price to Sales ratio went from 13.58 to 32.37. So, yeah, the business grew, but what really fueled the stock price rise is the increased value Mr. Market put on future sales - making each current sales dollar worth 3 times as much. SHOP has grown 300% this year, Shopify’s business has only grown 10%.

Clearly, a lot of people like what they’re seeing coming out of Shopify. It continues to lose money, but we all know that’s a necessary part of the early strategy for SaaS companies. At some point, though, Shopify will have to get its CAC (Customer Acquision Costs) down and/or it’s LTV (Customer Long Term Value) up. But, perhaps more importantly, from where does Shopify’s future business come?

Various sites on the web give Shopify about a 10% market share for e-Commerce platforms. WooCommerce (a WordPress plugin) is about 25%. Wix, btw, is about 4% (https://www.datanyze.com/market-share/e-commerce-platforms/s… ).

I suppose it’s possible for Shopify to displace WooCommerce and grow to 25% of the TAM. But, that still won’t get the business to the order of magnitude increase necessary for the company to be worth an order of magnitude more than it is today.

More realistic, I think, is that Shopify may double or triple in the near future, for some definition of near. With its Merchant Solutions business, Shopify takes a credit-card like piece (but smaller) of every sale from each of its customers selling to their customers. Shopify’s sweet spot seems to be customers that are not themselves focused on e-commerce but still want to have a solid platform for the e-commerce they do conduct. Companies like GE, Tesla (for accessories and branded clothing, not cars), Kylie Jenner, and GitHub for instance. I don’t know how many more of these companies Shopify can attract, nor at what point competition forces Shopify to cut its prices - or conversely if Shopify continues to add value to maintain its value).

But, the gi-normous increase in Price to Sales ratio just this year continues to haunt me. It makes holding the stock risky in my view, as any hiccup will erode the high premium Mr. Market has recently put on future sales. There’s also the law of large numbers, and one wonders how many businesses that are in Shopify’s sweet spot (not big enough to want to host their own e-commerce site, but not so small that they provide little revenue to Shopify) are still out there for Shopify to sign on.

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In hindsight, it would have made sense for me to hold Shopify until today. If I had done that, I would probably be selling a substantial amount now.

Ulta just dropped quite a bit, something to do with makeup not selling quite as well as expected, despite the company still doing extremely well, growing revenue and profit. Extremely well isn’t good enough to hold up a share price that implies exceeding the previous levels of perfection and growth.

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In hindsight, it would have made sense for me to hold Shopify until today…

Never a good exercise to do, all of us would never make a mistake if we were able to act knowing what would happen in the future.

…If I had done that, I would probably be selling a substantial amount now.

What makes you think selling today would work out any better for you in the future than selling whenever you did, did?

Ulta just dropped quite a bit, something to do with makeup not selling quite as well as expected, despite the company still doing extremely well, growing revenue and profit.

I held ULTA for a few years from $70 to $325, sold and didn’t look at it again until I saw a recent headline about the drop from $330 to $220 after their recent report. You say the company is still doing extremely well, but their rev growth has dropped from 20% over the past 5 years, to just 12% in this last report, that’s quite a difference, and results in the market revaluing them. Their EPS growth, which used to be over 20% is down to 8%.

Extremely well isn’t good enough to hold up a share price that implies exceeding the previous levels of perfection and growth.

As pointed out, ULTA is no longer doing “extremely well”, it’s a good company, and I’m sure will do fine in the future (long term).

Not sure why you’re comparing ULTA and SHOP, they have absolutely nothing in common…

ULTA rev growth last 5 years, 20%, most recently 12%
SHOP rev growth last 5 years, 85%, most recently 48%
ULTA P/S under 3
SHOP P/S over 30

I think you’re pointing out that ULTA didn’t meet high expectations and it dropped $100 (30%) in a day after their latest earnings report, and that could happen to SHOP. Of course it could, I’m not saying SHOP is a great buy at today’s price, but, as pointed out, they are completely different companies, what happened to one cannot be applied to the other for no reason.

SHOP could drop 50% tomorrow, but it will have nothing to do with what happened to ULTA.

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