Should I sell some of my SWKS?

They worry that if Skyworks lost Apple, they’d get hammered. But what they fail to realize is that Skyworks is more important to Apple than vice versa. iPhone accounts for the overwhelming majority of Apple’s profits. The solution that Skyworks provides is absolutely critical to the performance of the iPhone, yet it is an absolutely tiny portion of the bill of materials. So why in the world would Apple take the risk with an alternate supplier…who would have a significant risk of not being reliable to provide a quarter of a billion units over the next year? Certainly not to save $1. So unless someone comes along able to offer a dramatically better offering (which is extraordinarily unlikely), this won’t happen. Moreover, it’s not happening in the next two years, period? How do I know? Because Apple is already done designing the iPhone 7 and 7S, and if Skyworks wasn’t in that, Skyworks would not be upping all of their earnings estimates for the next two years. Indeed, I suspect that they are already collaborating with Apple on iPhone 8…as well as Apple Watch with cellular (go back and read last conference call questions, where CEO discussed “wearables”.)

Well what about the threat that Qualcomm will take over by integrating all the Skyworks functionality with their cellular chip? Could happen, but I think very unlikely. First of all, Skyworks has been building expertise for this over many years; why should we think all of a sudden Qualcomm can do better? Maybe more importantly, I think Apple understands that it would absolutely not be in Apple’s interest to have Qualcomm develop even more market power than they currently have. Indeed, there are credible rumors that Apple is working on designing their own cellular chips, which would make them even less likely to choose Qualcomm over Skyworks.

Bottom line, this panic over Skyworks is presenting an outrageously attractive price for an outrageously attractive business. I’m right there with Saul in making this my #1 position, and a large portion of my portfolio. When you get a pitch this fat, if you don’t load up, you won’t profit much. For someone buying in the mid-60’s and holding for a long time, this will likely end up being one of the best investments of your life. And the realistic worst-case scenario? Likely just dead money for a prolonged period. The thing I fear the most is that someone will come and acquire them for a 50% premium over this crazy-low price.

Unprompted by me, Aldrich offered that “with what’s going on this week, with our stock down, what always helps us is that we are not just in any one vendor’s product, we are in all the OEMs,” meaning the company’s RF “front end module,” which includes the power amplifier but increasingly things such as power management chips that make up as much as a third of what Skyworks gets from some products.

“And also, and I will commit to investors, and to your readers, with each new generation of these things, we will get a higher share of the content in them”

Unbridled optimism like this just doesn’t make sense for a CEO who knows he is going to have to present poor earnings in a couple weeks…if that were the case, you would expect him to try to gently prepare investors for that.

Between the November investor presentation, and the November earnings conference call (when they upped the forecast from $7 to $8 within two years), to this interview…this sure seems like a man who is enormously confident in the future of his business. And as he repeatedly says, a large part of this confidence is that given that Skyworks is being engaged very early in the product development of its customers, he has great visibility into that future…this isn’t just wishful thinking or unfounded optimism.

Wow, Commoncents, You really expressed that beautifully. I agree 100%!

Saul

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Another point is that Skyworks provides solutions which require Analog (vs. Digital): Much harder to duplicate/copy (and thus disrupt). This is why I like SWKS over many other players such as INVN, AMBA, etc. ORVO, AVGO, ADI are some of the other RF solution players

Sincerely,
Charlie

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Wow, Commoncents, You really expressed that beautifully. I agree 100%!

Saul

Well, I am very grateful for you…and the Motley Fool. For Skyworks wasn’t even on my radar, but then I saw articles about it a couple times from this board on Post of the Day, and checked it out.

So, thank you.

I normally would have stayed away from something like this by (inappropriately) lumping in it with the category of tech “widget” makers, who generally are not able to develop good moats, which I seek in a business. But after digging into Skyworks, and seeing how they’ve transitioned from somewhat of a widget maker into a complex/integrated solutions provider…and one of the few who can do that (and inherently a field, now, with enormously high barriers to entry)…I find this to be a truly wonderful business. I love the fact that while their solutions are quite important to their customers, their price is such a small part of the bill of goods; seems like it should be much more feasible for them to maintain such excellent margins given that fact.

I’m just disappointed that the stock didn’t crash further today. I’ve been buying more and more as it has been falling, and after the warning from Quvoro (?sp) yesterday afternoon, I was hoping they would gap down this mornings, and I would have added more.

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Can someone explain the why analog is so important these days. I thought everything was now or moving to digital. I know I am missing something important here.

It is not that everything is moving to analog, by any means, but that there are some problems which are better solved by analog. When digital was taking over, there was a tendency to try to make everything digital and now we seem to be recognizing that one is better picking the right technology for the problem.

Congrats on the balloons.

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Computers are digital, however many inputs and outputs are analog. Relevant here is that any wireless communication is an analog signal (WiFi, cell phone, AM/FM radio, etc.). Even digital wireless signals (e.g. 4G) use an analog signal for transmission (e.g. 1900 MHz).

Processing analog signals (such as the 4G signal coming into an iPhone) requires a minimum amount of analog circuitry to convert the signal into digital data. A lot of signal processing can only be done on the analog signal before it is converted to digital. Even with operations which could be handled after the digital conversion, analog signal processing frequently offers many benefits. The drawback to analog signal processing is that it requires more expertise. This expertise has always been somewhat rare but is far more rare in today’s digital world.

This is where Skyworks comes in with their analog expertise. Because analog signal processing is a lot more difficult (compared to digital) not many companies bother with building up the needed expertise, especially if they are primarily interested in digital data. Skyworks not only provides this expertise but also integrates a large amount of analog circuitry in prepackaged IC (integrated circuit) chips. The result is that their customers (Apple, etc.) do not need any analog expertise, do not need to figure out how to integrate multiple analog chips and can trust that the incoming digital signal is high quality ready for use.

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Wow, thanks. I cannot believe I did not know that. Thanks for filling in that hole in my knowledge for me.

Computers are digital, however many inputs and outputs are analog. Relevant here is that any wireless communication is an analog signal (WiFi, cell phone, AM/FM radio, etc.). Even digital wireless signals (e.g. 4G) use an analog signal for transmission (e.g. 1900 MHz).

Processing analog signals (such as the 4G signal coming into an iPhone) requires a minimum amount of analog circuitry to convert the signal into digital data. A lot of signal processing can only be done on the analog signal before it is converted to digital. Even with operations which could be handled after the digital conversion, analog signal processing frequently offers many benefits. The drawback to analog signal processing is that it requires more expertise. This expertise has always been somewhat rare but is far more rare in today’s digital world.

This is where Skyworks comes in with their analog expertise. Because analog signal processing is a lot more difficult (compared to digital) not many companies bother with building up the needed expertise, especially if they are primarily interested in digital data. Skyworks not only provides this expertise but also integrates a large amount of analog circuitry in prepackaged IC (integrated circuit) chips. The result is that their customers (Apple, etc.) do not need any analog expertise, do not need to figure out how to integrate multiple analog chips and can trust that the incoming digital signal is high quality ready for use.

Othalan, this was an incredibly useful post! Thanks so much for the information. That kind of post is what makes this board so wonderful!
Saul

As a side note to my previous post describing why analog expertise is a good thing to Skyworks:

SWKS has every earmark of what Buffett would call a durable competitive advantage (at least, to the best of my limited understanding). I see this expertise in analog circuitry combined with their market positioning as the source of this durable competitive advantage.

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Thanks for the simple and clear explanation
Would you say NXPI is a competitor to SWKS? I am not sure if they are in the cellphone market
usha

I do not see NXPI as a significant competitor though they do appear to have at least minor exposure to the same market. Analog IC chips are only a portion of their expertise (they seem far more focused on the digital side). Only a few of their target industries have overlap with the SWKS target industries. NXPI also don’t seem to offer integrated solutions in the way SWKS does.

Thank you

I would encourage watching the below interview August 2015, between Cramer & Skyworks CEO, the latter who just seems - the more I study (now 15 months), to be an honest Leader, with integrity and excellent focus and vision.

At around the 2 minute mark, the clarification as to the percentage of Revenue coming straight from China is talked of. (As of 08/15)!

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/18/cramer-is-skyworks-solutions-…

I appreciate the many comments posted here by everyone regarding SWKS.
IMHO, this is a wonderful opportunity to enter/add, not exit.

Greg

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