The Pilgrims got no government or other assistance when they arrived .
It was work or starve. So most worked.
Pre existing citizens of the US were not paying for them. They were not consuming many government services because there were few or none available at the time. Most charitable help was privately funded, often through churches.
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The illegal Latinos are good enough to hire when people do not want to pay their taxes.
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This is replete with racist bias.
Most or at least many folks, regardless of color or whatever, would rather not have to have their pay cut via taxes withheld. It is a common inclination. As an employer I get that with my temporary employees all the time which drives me nuts. An employer pays some payroll taxes, yes, but so does the employee. Social security taxes is a fifty-fifty contract, not to mention Medicare and a unemployment contribution. Both are avoided and both can fiscally benefit in the short term. It is the system that gets robbed if you will. You present it falsely that the big bad employer gets the sole benefit in that regard. So it is a double edge sword and not related to race or color…unless you want it to be to attempt to leverage your animosity. Why?
There are other groups of people here illegally as well. But this is solely aimed at all the Latinos.
The fact is most of these folks now flooding the borders, but by no means all, are fleeing from many countries in South America, Central America, Mexico and the Caribbean. The majority are of Latin decent. But the immigration problem is one of size and manipulation of access, filled with a criminal element to get you here for a fee and accept the abuse and risk of harm/death, all because of a lack of structure that we can manage at this point. I have had several clients who are here for work visas (computer related) from European countries who get so busy and involved in their work, they suddenly find out they are in violation of their visa and have to leave this country and reapply. One guy had to reschedule his wedding here for that very reason. They violated the terms of their visa. They have to arrange to further their compliance. It does not matter the color of their skin. When you flood the border with some 160,000+ extra folks each month, as is the current rate, there is no system in place to handle this volume. This is in addition to the current work visas issued and other legal migration ongoing.
To have an administration in place who turns their back on this issue stating “There is no border problem” is ludicrous. Still there are those folks who remain quiet unless they can direct the problem to further the racism cry.
Government and political minded folks are creating a self fulfilling prophecy. They complain about the underclass here blaming their political foes and certain thriving parts of the society, when they also turn around allow a constant feed of folks to enter that underclass with little restrictions. This guarantees a underclass population faster than folks can get past the underclass status. Further, this provides more attention to those who claim to be helping the underclass but at the same time they are responsible for assuring that class keeps arriving unrestricted. In other words, they create their own need and voting block and in a most dishonest manner. That is why it will not be resolved rationally unless there is broad support across the nation that forces those in politics to change course.
YR
California gets more aliens than TX and AZ, but CA does not bus them out of state. CA is not morally and politically motivated to be bigoted and inhumane to immigrants. No Christian values in the hearts of GOP leaders in TX and AZ.
Jaak
Meanwhile in California,
“Showdown: California town turns away buses of detained immigrants”
“CNN
The national controversy over a surge of Central American immigrants illegally crossing the U.S. border established a new battleground this week in a small Southern California town, where angry crowds stopped detained migrants from entering their community.
In a faceoff Tuesday with three buses carrying the migrants behind screened-off windows, the demonstrators chanted “Go back home!” and “USA” and successfully forced the coaches to leave Murrieta, CNN affiliate KFMB reported.
The buses instead took the 140 or so undocumented immigrants to U.S. processing centers at least 80 miles away, in the San Diego and El Centro areas, federal officials say.”
https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/02/us/california-immigrant-trans…
Yep, it has begun and will spread to small town California, same as the Border towns in Texas and AZ.
“Businesses Are Fleeing California Along With Its Residents,”
“Last year, California’s population decreased for the first time in recorded history and it lost a congressional seat. The state is starting to develop a two-tiered society, with higher-income, educated tech workers clustering in the major coastal cities while lower-income, less-educated workers are relegated to the interior of the state or forced out altogether. Now, a new study finds that business headquarters are also leaving the state at a record pace.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2021/08/27/business…
“Why some tech companies and billionaires are leaving California”
“While it may be an overstatement to say California is hemorrhaging people, some of the state’s major companies and wealthiest residents are leaving for states like Texas, Arizona and Florida. In 2020, Oracle, Palantir and Hewlett-Packard Enterprise were among the companies that announced they’re relocating their headquarters out of the Golden State. Wealthy individuals from the tech industry moving recently include Larry Ellison, Drew Houston, Joe Lonsdale and Elon Musk, currently the world’s richest man.
California’s population and job growth have both slowed to a trickle, with many citing concerns about high taxes, cost of living and heavy regulations. With the rise of remote work in 2020, over 135,000 more people left California than moved in – the third largest net migration loss ever recorded for the state.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/23/why-companies-are-fleeing-ca…
It appears to me in the not too distant future the exodus of California’s wealthy and major companies employing thousands taking with them the billions in tax money California will no longer receive, will eventually hurt those who migrated to California looking for a better life.
. CA is not morally and politically motivated to be bigoted and inhumane to immigrants.
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But look who is and has been for some time now!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/biden-admin-aga…
LMAO!
Again, this goes to show it is not what is done, but who does it.
YR
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Meanwhile in California,
“Showdown: California town turns away buses of detained immigrants”
The national controversy over a surge of Central American immigrants illegally crossing the U.S. border established a new battleground this week in a small Southern California town, where angry crowds stopped detained migrants from entering their community.
In a faceoff Tuesday with three buses carrying the migrants behind screened-off windows, the demonstrators chanted “Go back home!” and “USA” and successfully forced the coaches to leave Murrieta, CNN affiliate KFMB reported.
The buses instead took the 140 or so undocumented immigrants to U.S. processing centers at least 80 miles away, in the San Diego and El Centro areas, federal officials say.”
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lurkermom,
You had to reach 7 years back to find some local residents (right wing GOP anti-immigrant hooligans) who demonstrated. They took the immigrants to a processing center because of the hooligans and because they needed to be processed. They were not bused to any other state. Maybe you did not know that undocumented immigrants need to be processed. Immigrants in Texas and AZ are also processed.
Jaak
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The Pilgrims got no government or other assistance when they arrived .
Might want to check your history book. Assuming it hasn’t been taken out of the classroom yet.
AD 1621: Wampanoag people save Pilgrims
The Wampanoag people, the “People of the First Light,” are responsible for saving the Pilgrims from starvation and death during the harsh winter of 1620–21. The age-old Wampanoag respect for nature and for using the bounty of land and sea makes it possible for the Wampanoag people to share their provisions with the Pilgrims. Their generosity is the basis for the story of the first American Thanksgiving.
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoices/timeline/200.html
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…“Showdown: California town turns away buses of detained immigrants”…
translates to:
Illegal Aliens get Free Tour of the U.S.A.
Room & Board & Transport. I can only wonder if Disneyland offers free entrance to their parks with stays at their hotels.
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The pilgrims did get assistance from the governing power of the time, the originals peoples on the land had a government.
The pilgrims also died in massive numbers of starvation. About half of them along with the cold and disease. I am not sure why you would use the pilgrims for a posterchild of do or die. They died. They were so bad at farming they did not know the area in NE sucked compared to much of western Europe as farmland. If they were farmers they would have gone back to England.
What can we say about the pilgrims? They needed a lot more help than they got. It killed them being only partially helped. Those that died were obviously not self sufficient.
From an ECONOMIC standpoint I’m jealous of locales getting these marvelous arrivals. It’ll do nothing but amazing things for schools, hospitals, commerce, etc. Diversity is a strength, and I’m perplexed as to why recipients of this economic boon - aren’t more thankful, versus…well…sort of panicked.
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Yes, exactly. It’s too bad these liberal towns and cities are having fits migrants are being bussed there, they should be grateful. I’m sure they have “help wanted “ signs all over town, same as everywhere else. The migrants are looking for work to earn money to send to their families back home.
Both would benefit.
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Those that died were obviously not self sufficient.
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If that is ok for the Pilgrims, then it is ok for the rest of the world today without the need to cry racism.
Also the Pilgrims did not get food stamps and free medical. Let alone bus/plane rides to free stuff land.
YR
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Maybe you did not know that undocumented immigrants need to be processed. Immigrants in Texas and AZ are also processed
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How do you processed them when they are coming in by the thousands and thousands every week?
There is no control and a lack of help to processed them.
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“Maybe you did not know that undocumented immigrants need to be processed. Immigrants in Texas and AZ are also processed”
Less than 50% are ‘caught’ and released…and of those ‘caught’ , 90% don’t show up for their hearings - 3 to 5 years later…
the other 50% escape detection are are smuggled wherever the want to go.
t
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<i.If that is ok for the Pilgrims, then it is ok for the rest of the world today without the need to cry racism.
YR,
It is 400 years later it would not be okay for the pilgrims today.
2000 years ago it was not okay for Mary.
“Maybe you did not know that undocumented immigrants need to be processed. Immigrants in Texas and AZ are also processed”
Less than 50% are ‘caught’ and released…and of those ‘caught’ , 90% don’t show up for their hearings - 3 to 5 years later…
the other 50% escape detection are are smuggled wherever the want to go.
t
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So much for the processing.
Oh well.
Secure Borders? Nope.
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So, here’s the crux of the problem:
The US needs these immigrants. Those who are already “part of the club” (US citizens) would have no problem inviting blond Ukrainians to come join us, but swarthy Syrians or Mexicans (as very different from Cubans and earlier waves of Venezuelans who are now patrons of powerful politicians).
Our immigration policy is, as it has usually been, a legal coverup for blatant racism. Those “real American” who are on the bottom rung of the ladder are easy to motivate to lower the boom on those they see as inferior to them.
There was a time, not so long ago, when Asians (specifically Chinese and during some periods, Japanese) were prevented from entering the country. Again, not so long ago, Irish and Italians were not considered “white” and it was a long time before the country would consider a Catholic President. Jews also were blocked covertly by changing the immigration laws during the 1920’s to throttle immigration from eastern Europe to 10,000 a year (which prevented many to get refugee visas during the Holocaust).
So now it’s Mexicans and Central Americans who are targeted, despite their services not only being desirable, but vital. So, here’s the question at hand:
How many generations does a family have to be US citizens before they become “Real Americans”.
Just out of curiosity, with the possible exception of the decade following each of the World Wars, when all of our competition was buried under piles of rubble, during which decade, relative to other countries, was America Great enough to bring back? I’ve looked at our history and can’t find a time when a significantly higher percentage of the population has luxuries such as color TV’s, microwave ovens, toasters and even cars - so which greener pasture should we be seeking?.
Jeff
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For a century or more, to gain entry into the US, you had to either have sufficient means to live here for years (such as money to buy a farm and get through the first year), have a relative pledge to take care of you if you couldn’t make a living, or had a job already with whatever skills you had.
Seriously dude, I don’t know where you get your opinions, but there just isn’t much basis in fact here. For hundreds of years, America was begging immigrants to come over. They were all essentially “legal” immigrants because there were almost no restrictions.
From the southern border, there were no limits on the number of immigrants until 1965:
Indeed, before 1965 there were no numerical limits at all on immigration from Latin America or the Caribbean, only qualitative restrictions. The 1965 amendments changed all that, imposing an annual cap of 120,000 on entries from the Western Hemisphere.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3407978/#:~:tex….
Before this criminalization of crossing the southern border, most of the immigrants were seasonal, coming to work the crops in California and the South. After it became illegal to cross the border, many of them didn’t want to risk crossing back each year and started staying in the USA full time.
Undocumented, border runners, folks escaping ‘poverty’ with not even 3rd grade education.
There is a major point lost in the talking points about how “these people are criminals because they broke the law when they illegally crossed the border.” The reality is that we have made it nearly impossible to legally immigrate from the South. We stick them in detention camps where “immigration officers” tell them to sign papers if they want to get out of the camp. If the immigrants can’t read English and have no counsel (which most don’t) they do not realize that the papers say they have no right to asylum. This is just one example of the perverted nature of our border control system.
Meanwhile, there are all kinds of industries which need the labor. I remember a few years back there was a governor in Georgia who enacted a punitive policy designed to make illegal immigrants to “self deport.” He had to do a quick U-turn on the policy when the Peach growers told him they were critically short of labor and could not harvest that year’s crop.
You think they are going to found high tech companies, really? Gimme a break.
The adults probably won’t, but some of their kids and grandkids probably will. That is the point of the OP. It’s the most basic American story.
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Maybe you did not know that undocumented immigrants need to be processed. Immigrants in Texas and AZ are also processed
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How do you processed them when they are coming in by the thousands and thousands every week?
There is no control and a lack of help to processed them.
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The immigrants bused out of Texas had to be caught and processed. Texas did not bus uncaught and unprocessed immigrants. 
Jaak
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The national controversy over a surge of Central American immigrants illegally crossing the U.S. border
I don’t know about the ones in CA, but the ones in MA are asylum seekers who are here legally, pending their hearing.
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How do you processed them when they are coming in by the thousands and thousands every week?
The asylum seekers, like those on Martha’s Vineyard, go to the people at the port of entry and say “I am here for asylum because …” and get processed.
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Less than 50% are ‘caught’ and released…and of those ‘caught’ , 90% don’t show up for their hearings - 3 to 5 years later…
Asylum seekers are not caught, they turn themselves in to the port of entry to start the process. And, I think you need a link for the 90% since my impression is the reverse of yours, i.e., that 90%+ show up.
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