The DOGE duo is calling for more H1B immigrants. The DOGE duo, are “JCs”. “JCs” understand that H1B people are cheaper than USians, as demonstrated when Disney brought in 250 Indian IT people, to displace 250 USian IT people.
“JCs” cry there “aren’t enough USians with the skills”, but the education system that would produce those highly skilled people is rationed by ability to pay.
So, who is going to win? The DOGE duo, or Stephen Miller? Regardless who wins the argument in the “hallowed halls”, education in the US will probably continue to be rationed by ability to pay.
Ok so they make college free for anyone who wants to go to college and then they can allow H1B visas. Till that is done nobody gets a visa. I bet that will make all the people who want to hire outside help to stand up and take notice.
Wasn’t there a thread recently, talking about how much less software engineers in Europe are paid than accountants? The result being the good European software engineers go where the pay is better. (VW’s EV software is notably sukky, so VW is sinking over $5B into Rivian, to get access to their much better software)
Friedman would probably say that letting other countries educate their populations for free, then the US cherry pick the few best people, is cheaper than the US funding it’s education system for everyone, at the level it did 50 years ago.
Almost, not quite. The “pseudo-JCs” are unwilling to fund anything long term because there is too much change happening all the time. Training people takes time and money–but in what fields will the “hot” jobs be found 5-10-15 years? The “JCs” don’t have a clue. And the “JCs” want everyone else to pay so the “JCs” don’t risk losses in training new workers for jobs that won’t exist due to technology change that obsoletes their plans before they begin.
Offhand, I suspect the “JCs” don’t want to pay for anything. Recall “Plan Steve” calls for defunding USian education, because the “JCs” are confident they can import all the skilled people they want from other countries that give education away.
That is what this thread is discussing: the possible association between the US not growing enough of it’s own, and education not being funded to the level it was fifty years ago, vs importing people that were educated on someone else’s dime, colliding with, in the few of some, these foreigner’s lack of whiteness.
Funding is not an issue. US students don’t want to study STEM, especially engineering. The perceive it to be hard.
US education institutes attract thousands of students from the world (including from poor countries) who get degrees in STEM.
They get hired by best companies despite fighting visa/quota issues (for years) and some like Elon launch startups.
Seems the data does not agree with our assumptions. The bulk of the increase in STEM graduates have been US Citizens or permanent residents, not people who come here for an education, then go back where they came from.
So, if it isn’t a lack of students, what is the problem? Let’s consider, again, that Disney had a full complement of USian IT people, and replaced them all with Indians, because the Indians work cheaper.
Meanwhile, seems members of the movement, who push back on full-throated endorsement of H-1B visas, are suffering typical “JC” retribution.
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*?ag# civil war ramps up as #ump ally Laura Loomer lays into Elon Musk — and loses her blue check
*Another volley has been fired in the ongoing AGA civil war that’s been playing out online between @ard#ore “America First” acolytes and /#ump-backing Silicon Valley oligarchs over an immigrant worker visa program — and now Elon Musk is being accused of personally punishing his critics.
Could it be that the “oligarchs”, aka “JCs” really don’t give a hoot about USians, except their ability to be separated from their money? Isn’t that the underlying attitude pushing offshoring everything that can be moved, while the USians who used to do that work are kicked to the curb?
LOL oh it is so funny to see people twist themselves up trying to make it seem that immigration is ok when they twisted themselves up saying it wasn’t ok. The only reason they say it is “Legal” is because they want them to keep wages down, and so they fast track them into the country. Meanwhile the people on their golf courses or working their farms have to be “illegal” because they are deemed not worthy enough. It all seems very reasonable when you have Billionaires running your party. LOL
Funding is an issue, especially in rural and urban schools. Especially now that school choice is being pushed. Especially now that the Dept. of Education is on the chopping block. D20, your ignorance is showing…yet again
LOL !!! For money, they will willingly learn. But that is the problem. There is no money offered early, to incentivize those who are interested to spend the time and effort to learn. The students learned early the easy path to a lot of money is to be in finance/banker/insurance. Prior to that, it was to become a doctor. They gamed the system by creating innumerable medical specialties. So the total demand for more doctors expanded substantially as a result. Lots of specialists, not-so-many general practitioners.
JCs are not willing to invest in education because they know it is impossible to predict the tech future. Who, what, where, when, how–the JCs are totally clueless. And they know it. So, no investing in education.
Thousands of students are coming from other countries to US universities, graduate and get hired. The degree of difficulty fot them is much higher. Companies like Apple, Google, Amazon and Meta in Silicon valley are paying high wages and hiring these engineers because they cannot find enough US citizens that meet the bar.
What started this hypernationalist wave, that got TFG into office, twice, is pushback against “JCs”, like Musk, throwing USians under the bus, in favor of foreigners that would work cheaper.
Brother, you have no idea about corporate America. US tech companies will fire employees and go to the market and procure the skill they need. They will not train their employees. It is up to the employees to stay current. The company changes direction on dime and it is not easy for employees to keep up with. US political system encourages this. Supporting employees is bad, wrong, it is enabling communism…
There are two classes, a smart class getting tons of options and huge salary, all together a million $$ per year and the rest. This is not meritocracy it is corporatocracy…
