So, who would you keep out?

About 10+ years ago I began looking into working/living in New Zealand as a last step before full retirement. What got me interested was following a blog from a fellow ER physician and his wife about their experiences there for a year.

Australia and New Zealand have pretty high hurdles on the path to acceptance.

I solved my ‘acceptance hurdles’ problem by getting a German passport that gives me access to all of the EU which includes French islands in the Caribbean.

The Captain

The Pilgrims were border runners.

Please…there may be DARs here…

Since this is somewhat political…unfortunately?

The prior guy in the WH has never had more than 44% support. Just someone hogging the stage with 43% lost to him.

DeSantis has less than the 44%. I get it is a long shot but he hopes other people are stupid. 2016 wont happen again.

The US economy will be firmly in the demand side camp. Where most people will be making more money. Hoping for blow hard supply side econ to come back is the real idiocy here. Only if we want to sink our nation.

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Captain,

One more reason to become an Irish citizen next year. Caribbean islands are a good place to visit.

Either give up and shut up on immigration, or focus on having enforcement that is enforceable (WELL DUH!).

But, employers, especially agricultural, restaurant/hotel, and construction, have become thoroughly dependent on, addicted to, lower cost more easily exploitable labor, and they all quietly consistently pour money into Congress to insure that the smoke screen of “immigration reform” debates and proposals obscures the real issue of lack of enforcement where it most matters.

With enforcement all the supposed solutions offered by everyone, from total demagogic lying monsters to total sweet honest scholarly boffin trying to find the best way forward for USA and its citizens, its all garbage. Enforcement in employment would expose the falsity of the discussion.

Neither party is serious about any of this. That should be what people ought be angry about. Avoidance of crux issues of public policy through lying and disimulation.

david fb

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FlyingCircus: This is why Desantis’ bold move to ship some to Mass is brilliant, politically- in your face, Feds / Dems.

Yeah, the Cuban and Venezuelan communities in Florida – who are dependable republican voters – just loved it.

Local Venezuelan leaders and other immigration advocates gathered in Doral where they denounced what they call DeSantis’ blatant disregard for human life and the lies he told to the Cuban and Venezuelan communities. They point to a September 7th press conference in Miami where they said he promised that neither Cubans nor Venezuelans would be sent out of the state.

There are about 100,000 Venezuelans in Florida, about 1.5 million Cubans. DeSantis won his 2018 election by about 34,000 votes.

So, yeah, brilliant.

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/south-florida-venezuelans…

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NE,

Very interesting. The entire thing DeSantis is doing is aimed to stir up a lot of hatred towards all Latinos. To make Latinos the butt of jokes.

Oh yeah I said that…yes I am going there full throttle. See it all over SM.

This is my first post on the topic on Facebook.

“What DeSantis is doing is making Latinos the butt of jokes. He’s saying the GOP hates Latinos”.

That is going to be milked for millions of votes against the GOP in all 50 states.

Ron STFU POS. Stop being a blowhard. In other words even leave the state of Disney World.

The people of ‘Martha’s Vineyard’ should change the name of the island so that unsuspecting immigrants won’t think it is a wine production location. ie, jobs.
Call it what it is… ‘Wealthy Enclave Island’.

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The exact wording, I forgot the word “all”. This has just gone public to 10k people. DeSantis would kick your grandmother in the face as well.

“What DeSantis is doing is making Latinos the butt of jokes. He’s saying the GOP hates all Latinos”.

“A whole lot of “border runners” were working in California all my life. California is the richest agricultural produce state in the union, mostly due to border runner families coming and going for the last century, when the border was purely notional.”

Yes, they came LEGALLY under temporary agriculture visas and as you noted, coming and GOING back to Mexico after the work was done!!!

Duh!

t.

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Jaak"“to immigrate to USA in 1949. We had to have a sponsor in the USA to help us settle in with assistance for housing, food and work”

That was the key for over 150 years of immigration policy. You either had sufficient funds to buy yourself a farm and last a year before crops came in

or

YOU had a sponsor who would provide a job and agree to pay for housing and food until you got yourself settled.

The current border runners have NONE. Neither money nor a sponsor, or able to get a legal job due to their status … essentially on welfare

You entered LEGALLY or your relatives did, just like tens of millions of LEGAL immigrants.

t.

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“The Pilgrims were border runners.”

More like European invaders at the time!

there was no USA when they arrived, right?

t.

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PhoPhil: “The only difference between our founding American and those on Martha’s Vineyard is he arrived penniless and ignorant in 1920.”

In 1920, you usually came through Ellis Island or the west coast equivalent. You had to have documentation. Health checks. And usually you needed a sponsor, and you didn’t get in penniless. You either had a sponsor, or a job already lined up - usually both.

t.

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“There are about 100,000 Venezuelans in Florida, about 1.5 million Cubans. DeSantis won his 2018 election by about 34,000 votes.”

Probably 10 million Hispanics in TX, but likely more than half of them can’t vote as not citizens.

same likely in FL. I’m not sure if any of the Venezuelans can vote.

And believe it or not, Hispanic citizens of TX are not all that hot about millions of illegals working off the books for half the wages of those legally here.

t.

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If I went back in time - when I gave a hoot…

*Let IN those who will be a net asset. Not just let them in - I’d INVITE THEM, RECRUIT THEM, and today…I’d even subsidize them to come and settle here and work and be Americans. As long as assimilation is allowed to be encouraged - yes - I’d INVITE them. I wouldn’t care what the A.M radio dial says - and I also wouldn’t care what 6 figure earning I.T workers say…

*Keep OUT and send OUT those who are or would be a net minus.

I’d love to see a moonshot today. Based on my criteria being massaged and fine tuned… I think easily - an extra 2,000,000 today…maybe more… would be great and id thank each of them for coming.

But, alas - a blunt, reality based policy or conversation can never take place - - while other countries - some of them at least are doing as I’m saying here. Others weren’t…and now are scrambling to put in all sorts of laws that some consider to infringe on civil rights.

“Data driven” seems to be one of the many buzzwords. I’d be “data driven” to meet the needs of the country where it comes to letting people in.

Probably 10 million Hispanics in TX, but likely more than half of them can’t vote as not citizens.

The GOP is belittling all Latinos. Trying explaining how high the rank and file GOP members are to exclude poor people because they are Latino.

Just remember Latinos are used in our society. Telling them this is great fun screwing around lying to planeloads of people and making political points out of bigotry towards all Latinos…explain that to millions of voters.

Don’t say there are 10 million Latinos and half of them are illegal so you do not care. Just more wood on the fire.

DeSantis’s actions are being used against him. The GOP deserves nothing.

Sure immigrants should be “documented” and vetted, but in order to do that efficiently, our systems need to change. In the meantime, it serves no particular purpose to ship new arrivals off to “points unknown” rather than to integrate the vast majority who are honest and hard-working into the local society.

Jeff


What do you suggest the US Border towns do with the going on 2 million illegal aliens crossing the Border into Texas and Arizona? Surely extremely rich communities such as Martha’s Vineyard can afford to take in and look after at least 50 of them, Right?..

After all, isn’t Martha’s Vineyard a sanctuary city?

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The people of ‘Martha’s Vineyard’ should change the name of the island so that unsuspecting immigrants won’t think it is a wine production location. ie, jobs.
Call it what it is… ‘Wealthy Enclave Island’.

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But they do serve “Breakfast Tacos”!

YR

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there was no USA when they arrived, right?

Are you sure? Do you have a link?

The Captain

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