Tesla Pulls Safety Monitors in Austin - Robotaxis now driving "Unsupervised FSD"

The Holy Grail will be unsuprvised FSD on that Austin freeway with the 85 mph
speed limit (State Highway 130).

intercst

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Tollway 130.
Also 80 (or 85) mph on Toll 45 n Toll 290. I assume also Toll 183 n Mopac/1.

Ya gotta pay to drive fast.

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ralph

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I hit the Mass Pike almost twice a week to see my folks. The tolls are automated; you drive, and they snap images of you and your plate.

The Holy Grail will be picking up a paid passenger with no safety operator in the car.

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Or, you know, just get an EZPass and don’t worry about it - up and down the east coast!

JimA

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I have EZPass. Same system.

For some reason it seems Texas might be different?

Also CT only tolls trucks with multiple axles.

Texas, Oklahome, Florida and others are not part of the EZ Pass system.

DB2

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But they do not have their own EZPass sort of system?

Do they literally have tollbooths?

I can’t wait to see how the SCOTUS rules on the trolly problem.

I expect the victims will be found at fault and have to pay the trolly operator.

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They wouldn’t. For two reasons.

The sort of legal reason is that matters of liability for auto accidents are almost entirely issues of state law. Specifically, the “negligence” standard that determines when someone is at fault for a car crash is entirely a creation of state law, and federal courts don’t have anything to say on the substance of that law.

The philosophical and moral reason is because the Trolley Problem is just that - a really interesting and difficult problem in moral philosophy. There isn’t any obvious answer. There isn’t a clearly correct choice. Which means that a driver who is confronted with a Trolley Problem situation won’t ever be liable for choosing either option - they won’t have done anything wrong or culpable. They won’t have violated a legal duty. Since a human driver confronted with a Trolley problem scenario wouldn’t face liability no matter their choice, neither would an AI driver.

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I believe FL is now part of EZPass - at least in the Orlando area.

JimA

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Trolly problem, how about the school bus problem.

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Florida uses the SunPass system. It works in 20+ states, including states that use EZPass (like NY).

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There absolutely is.

You are standing at the switch, right? You wait until the first wheels of the trolley go across the switch, then throw it so the back wheels go across the other track. This results in the trolley derailing, and all the people tied to the track are safe.

You only kill the people actually riding the trolley as it flips over and burns, which is appropriate since they are the ones who cause the problem in the first place.

Justice!

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I like The Good Place’s approach:

The Trolley Problem | The Good Place | Comedy Bites - YouTube

Not especially relevant, I suppose. But I never want to miss an opportunity to throw The Good Place some love.

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That was an excellent show, I enjoyed almost all the episodes.

Most TV series either fizzle out and get canceled or have unsatisfying endings, like MASH, Sopranos, Seinfeld, etc. The Good Place had the best ending of any series. I don’t think there is a close second.

Prior to writing the series, the creator Michael Schurr did a deep dive into ethics. He wrote an entertaining book about it, which includes a detailed discussion of the trolley problem.

How to be Perfect

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