The future for Russia's economy

If this video is a reasonable picture of its war in Ukraine then Russia’s economy must be in serious trouble:

The Russian economy:

At least it might bring the war’s ending a bit closer.

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Yes Russia’'s oil infrastructure is being hit by Ukrainian drones effecting its economy. But so is Ukraine’s energy infrastructure is being pummeled by Russia drones & missiles.
This is what occurs in a war of attrition. A grinding of casualties and pressure upon civilian morale and national economy until one side calls uncle.

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Or not.

as the two sides remain very far apart on the conditions to end the war.

That’s what is always said. Hamas were saying similar quite recently.

To say otherwise would not give your fighting forces much incentive to get themselves killed.

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I think that the Russian military reflect the Russian economy - looks good on paper. A country with the supposed strong military and robust economy shouldn’t be relying on North Korea for out of date shells.

I think that, if nothing else, this shows that the Russian economy was never as strong as previously depicted.

Mon, September 29, 2025

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And neither is the USA’s.
We couldn’t produce enough artillery munitions to supply Ukraine. Luckily they developed a new strategy of drones.

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And we were largely providing our ‘old’ stuff, too, that were at the end of lifecycle. We were supposed to have been updating and re-stocking out inventories with the latest and greatest, the newest and bestest, but maybe not after all.

Pete

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Latest I could find.
8/14/2025
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2025/8/14/army-falls-short-of-155mm-production-goal
*The Army — in response to diminishing stockpiles as it supported Ukraine’s defense against Russia — set a goal to produce 100,000 155mm artillery rounds per month by this October. *

The service opened a number of new facilities to support this endeavor — and as one Army official stated, “We haven’t seen this level of investment in our industrial base since World War II.”

However, the Army is going to fall short of its goal. Service spokesperson Steve Warren told reporters in July that the Army is not expecting to produce 100,000 155mm rounds per month until mid-2026.

As regards to the latest greatest comment.

Global Military Products, based in Tampa, Fla., won the bid to produce 155mm high-explosive rounds in support of the Special Ammunitions and Weapons Systems program, a Defense Department statement Tuesday said. The SAWS program buys munitions that are not intended for U.S. weapons systems and that are unavailable through standard Army supply chains.
So North Korea quality?

The DOD has put extra emphasis on production of domestic and foreign 155 mm rounds amid shrinking stockpiles following Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

The Army has also delivered tens of thousands of shells to Israel since its 2023 conflict with Hamas began, Stars and Stripes reported previously.

The US defense industrial plant that defeated Germany & Japan is no longer in existence.
God forbid the China/Taiwan balloon goes off.

This is what a nearly trillion dollar defense budget provides. A lot of expensive boondoggle weapon systems that cannot perform as promised

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A Ukraine war analyst told Business Insider that while watching this conflict, he’s been continually surprised by how poorly trained Russia’s soldiers are. Even when he thinks they can’t get any worse, they somehow find a way.

Sadly just cannon fodder. But what effect is this having on the Russian economy:

Doesn’t sound like much of a plan to me!

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This is no longer true.
Tactics evolve and change.

They will still end up the same. They have no tanks or armour to support units sent to fight Ukrainian forces:

If Russian is running out of tanks what does that tell you about the Russian economy?

The economy tanks! :clown_face:

Thanks!

The Captain

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But does it tank before Ukraine’s economy tanks?

Ukraine is suffering also. And guess what? No tanks were needed.

Air defense has become a key element of Ukraine’s survival in the war. Despite significant international support, the shortage of modern air defense systems remains palpable.

Russia appears to have upgraded its ballistic missiles in use against Ukraine to bypass US-made Patriot air defence systems, according to a report.

Whatever is happening on the battlefield, it may be the Russian economy that decides the fate of the conflict. Some interesting facts and stats. about the economy:

https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2025/why-russias-economic-model-no-longer-delivers

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Joe Blogs has an interesting video on Russia:

That will only happen if the Duma and Federation (formerly Politburo) decide to go against Putin, which as we have seen if a heavy lift for individual office holders who value their job in the face of a strongman.

It won’t be Putin giving in, that’s for sure.

Khrushchev gave in to JFK over Cuba, and was quickly cashiered.

Gorbachev was the leader of the USSR when it collapsed, and suddenly he was gone. He was also in charge when the union pulled out of Afghanistan, and people don’t like admitting defeat, even when it’s the right thing to do.

I’m sure Putin has taken notes. Ukraine will continue fighting as long as they are able. Russia will continue fighting for as long as it wants. There’s a difference, but I claim no insight into how Russia’s internal politics might work out.

One thing I’m sure of: Puting isn’t just going to say “Oh my bad, we’re out.” Either he will be forced out politically or killed. Either of those is OK with me.

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live above the ground floor!

JimA

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It didn’t exist in 1941 either.

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