How ironic, as I am the most credible poster here. No-one quotes from and links to more primary souce documents than I. Whether it’s NHTSA documents such as FMVSS or Proposed Rules, or NHTSA Forum keynotes and recordings, DMV documents, or SAE’s J3016, I always quote directly and provide links where possible.
Despite my almost 15-year track record (on the paid board initially), you doubt the veracity of my posts? Well, here’s a photo my friend took at the NHTSA AV forum:
And, here he is inside the demo CyberCab at the event:
You can see a Zoox and a Holon vehicle in the background. Go ahead - run a reverse image search if you think these are from some public source.
You are certainly free to disbelieve what you want to disbelieve. I can only guess how upsetting it must be to have your world view disrupted.
Quoted with substitutions, without a link, and without context. In fact, you are wrong. In your zeal to call me out you defy logic: You think that a small private website has access to Austin and the SF Bay Area’s police Flock cameras such that they can grab not only license plates but whether there’s someone in the driver’s seat, not to mention whether the person in the passenger seat is a Tesla safety monitor or a passenger?
Really?
Here’s a quote from the actual methodolgy link, which @gledmo posted:
Vehicles are added to the tracker through community submissions. When a user spots a robotaxi, they can:
- Sign in and submit the license plate number (validated by provider-specific formats)
- Upload at least one photo of the vehicle for verification (up to three)
- Specify exterior and interior colors (Tesla submissions only; Waymo uses defaults)
- Indicate the service area where it was spotted
- Add optional notes about the sighting
You get that? “Community Submissions.” Not “external cameras.” Heck, the word “camera” doesn’t even appear on that page.
To back up my prior assertion on most riders not reporting their rides, here’s what the Robotaxi Tracker page shows about its own data:
You reading that 0.6% of rides being logged? I’d say 99.4% of rides counts as “most.”
Hey, for extra credit, I leave it up to you to find the ride reporting leaderboard, which includes per-user stats of “rode first” vehicles reported, just to see if what I reported is “credible,” lol.
It’s becoming more and more apparent to me that there’s not much point in my posting here. I could continue to ignore posters writing nonsense, not following logic, etc., but I think it’s become clear that there’s really no point in me continuing. Not only is the sheer garbage repeatedly posted useless, but that almost all of the audience here is incapable of a nuanced discussion is perhaps the most disappointing of all. And now being challenged in an aggressive manner kind of puts a bow on it. There were many other respectful ways to ask and probe for my data sources, but that didn’t happen and I feel it’s emblematic of this board.
