Turkey dropped objection to fins and swedes

This was predicted from day one.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/29/world/europe/nato-sweden-…

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MADRID — NATO leaders on Wednesday formally invited Finland and Sweden to join the alliance, one day after Turkey dropped its objections to their membership, clearing the way for what would be one of the most significant expansions of the alliance in decades.

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A few months ago I read in WSJ about Finland’s history with the Soviets.

I came away realizing I never ever knew what a formidable military Finland has. I’d have ever known or guessed it.

DH’s mom ethnicity is Finnish. I met her parents and also other relatives who lived in northern Minnesota for generations. Grandma got married at age 18 and lived with Grandpa in a logging camp in northern MN during the early 20th century. How tough is that? But they were the nicest, sweetest people I ever met.

When I did business in Denmark, the Danes said that the Finns are quiet but beware of ever getting one angry.

History shows that the Finns are polite and quiet but incredibly tough. The Russians, whose culture loves to flaunt emotions, clearly misread the Finns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

By the way, Google “Soviet Invasion of” or “Russian invasion of” and it will return a long list of countries invaded by Russia. They have made a habit of this for centuries.

Wendy

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By the way, Google “Soviet Invasion of” or “Russian invasion of” and it will return a long list of countries invaded by Russia.

Try the same for France. :slight_smile:

DB2

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ShinyLand* Invasions

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/how-many-…

The Captain

  • Hat tip to Steve…
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ShinyLand* Invasions

Yeah, but we are Shiny, “manifest destiny” and all that, so that makes it not just OK for the rest of the world, but beneficial.

Take up the White Man’s burden—
Send forth the best ye breed—
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives’ need;
To wait in heavy harness
On fluttered folk and wild—
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man%27s_Burden

/sarcasm

Steve

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Yeah, but we are Shiny, “manifest destiny” and all that, so that makes it not just OK for the rest of the world, but beneficial.

Beam & Mote. LOL

The Captain

Beam & Mote. LOL

If you lived here, especially here in flyover country, you would understand. :^)

Steve

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History shows that the Finns are polite and quiet but incredibly tough. The Russians, whose culture loves to flaunt emotions, clearly misread the Finns.

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That is an over simplified stereotype of Finns and Russians. Northern Russia has lots of ethnic Finnish people still living there. There has been mixing of Finnic and Slavic DNA in Northern Russia for thousands of years. The Southern Russians are the emotional Russians.

Putin was born and raised in Northern Russia. He does not show emotions. It is rumored that Putin’s Y-DNA is N-Haplo group. Of course Putin does not want that information to be known publicly.

The Russians have been bad neighbors and conquerors of Eastern European countries for the centuries. Finland became a part of Russia in 1809. The Russians always felt superior to these other nationalities. There have been countless wars between Russia and its neighboring nationalities.

https://finland.fi/life-society/main-outlines-of-finnish-his….

Estonians are genetically and culturally the closest to Finnish people with essentially the same language. Estonians went to help the Finns in the Winter War of 1939.

Jaak