I kept a perfect record of every meal I ate. Unfortunately it was lost, a great loss for the Science of Nutrition.
Sorry, your post is not worth replying to.
The Captain
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I didnât call anyone a denier. Iâm just asking what problem folks had with the original food pyramid, nutritional recommendations that seem pretty innocuous to me. No one seems to want to answer that question as yet.
Are you suggesting it is Starbucks fault if I get fat from their frappuccinos? I suspect Starbucks would sell broccoli juice if people would pop $6 for a grande. But people wonât, so whose fault is that?
Look, the claim is being made that government agencies were deceitful in their nutrition recommendations. Yet there doesnât seem to be much evidence for that. Again, look at the original food pyramid. Where is the willful misinformation?
Of course not! The fault lies primarily with the person drinking it. And perhaps a small portion of fault goes to those, in and out of government, that participated in the vilification of fat for decades, and educated the populace with that erroneous information.
Itâs funny, but juice places were very popular in the 2010s, and they were expanding like crazy across the country. Of course in order to get people to drink their juices, they had to add lots and lots of sugar (in various forms).
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I know you didnât. Someone else did.
Itâs the root cause of the obesity epidemic, the root cause of the T2 diabetes epidemic. The root cause of the related maladies that didnât exist 100 years ago or were very rare.
As with all complex systems it is not possible to draw a clear connection line item by line item. It is clear that the problem is one of diet and the food pyramid was the guideline that got us there by a tortuous route that deeply involves the medical establishment, the agro industrial food complex, the pharmaceutical industry, and government.
It can happen through a series of well meant actions. Let me give you an example. I invested in the leading insulin producer because my doctor had convinced me that what I had was chronic and incurable. That being the case investing in insulin was a good idea, itâs an industry that cannot go away. I believe that the investors in insulin had the same idea. Thatâs how supply and demand is created.
Doctors started to question the status quo. In time the truth was revealed, the problem was the crap we ate and the diet industry did not have the right solutions which led to yoyo weight loss and gain.
On what do I base my conviction? By my personal experience of having defeated T2 diabetes and all the related maladies by eating right and living a healthier lifestyle. The last cardiologist I consulted was familiar with some of the initiatives but had not been convinced, I suppose because he had never seen a case of remission until he saw me. Fortunately he is a very good doctor willing to have open discussions with is patients. Under his supervision, with lots of coaxing on my part, he oversaw me dropping one after another the drugs that I had been told were for life. The next to last one was a statin. The last one was aspirin.
The Infamous list
Blokium (atenelol)
Vytorin
Plavix
Aspirina
Omega 3
AlurĂłn
Glucofage
Secotex
Vit Berroca plus
Vit E 400 IU
Vit C 500 mg
Senecot
Robitussim
Eating right is the only medicine one needs on a daily basis. BTW, once one eats right there is no need for fiber supplements like chia seeds, the digestive track goes back to working as it is supposed to work.Talking about diets, humans are omnivores. Eat a bit of everything avoiding the clearly bad stuff like sugars. Itâs not a religion, just a lifestyle.
The Captain
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The Battle Creek San was owned by the Seventh Day Adventists, who are vegetarians. Dr Kellogg, who ran the San, promoted a vegetarian diet, in keeping with Advent doctrine. Dr John Harvey Kellogg oversaw the development of corn flakes, and many other vegetarian foods, along with some ideas about diet and exercise. Some a bit nutty, some not nutty at all. The cereal was commercialized by John Harveyâs brother, Will Kieth Kellogg.
The Battle Creek San, Dr Kellogg, and the âhealthâ industry in general, were satirized in âThe Road To Wellvilleâ some years ago.
For type 1 diabetes or monogenic familial hypercholesterolemia? These are diseases that precipitated the hunt for insulin and later statins for the simple reason that the most rigorous and righteous healthy eating plan wasnât enough to prevent premature death and disease.
Yes, eating right is all a person needs to prevent the results of eating badly but itâs a stretch to imagine itâs all everyone needs for health and well-being
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The Corn Flakes of today have more sugars and salt than the original.
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Well, you donât generally need too much by way of concrete evidence when a statement is made often enough that people believe it and suddenly rememberâŚ
If you can bring yourself to squander a few minutes of your life youâll never get back, check out that YouTube vid in the OP in the recent Politics and Greed threadâŚthe one with the hefty dose of cholesterol denialism. The insistence of the bogus nature of the food pyramidâŚand the misrepresentation of Ancel Keysâs workâŚis so eerily ubiquitous on every low carb/keto diet blog/You Tube vid like this one, it starts to look as if all these social media gurus are quoting from a common source. A bit like it being easy to spot cheating in a badly proctored examâŚitâs the commonality of the wrong answers thatâre the dead giveaways.
Anyhoo, Iâve sort of narrowed that common source down to the early-mid aughts when Gary Taubes glommed onto low carbery as a crusade. Iâm willing to bet precious few folk gave much thought to the nutritional pyramid and/or Ancel Keys and his work before that.
We are not just pack animals we are herd animals as well. Or like a flock of birds, we fly at times in one direction.
VEâs comment on the deli in NYC is just that.
Do you not see the irony of your describing the obesity epidemic as a âcomplex systemâ while convinced that a very simplistic food pyramid is the root cause? The food pyramid as the bogeyman.
I donât disagree with anything youâve written other than this tendency (that is pretty common these days) to blame âthemâ for what are ultimately personal failures, with âthemâ being whatever social entity one happens to most dislike.
The food pyramid did not cause obesity nor T2 diabetes. The free market did combined with a lack of personal discipline. Iâve had to deal with weight issues most of my life so Iâve experienced this truth.
Nonsense. Almost every modern society that gets wealthier gets fatter. The prevailing medical establishment, agro industrial food complex, pharmaceutical industry, or type of government doesnât matter. Wealth creates less need for physical activity and more high calorie, intensely flavored food choices. It is as simple as that. No insidious government or corporate conspiracy necessary.
Over 25% of the people in Norway are obese. About 30% of China. Over 50% of urban residents of Kenya. About 30% of Australia and a third of the population of Saudi Arabia.
No food pyramid is that powerful.
The only major wealthy country that seems to have avoided the obesity/diabetes epidemic is Japan. Here is the Japanese food pyramid:
Not much different than the original USDA one except for the guy running around on top. The key is physical activity.
Sure, they had less inside of them, but they didnât have less in the bowl when eaten.
Do you know what this is?
In the 60s and 70s, every home had one of these on the kitchen table. It was full of sugar, and we used it on our cereal liberally, VERY liberally. I can still feel the taste of the remaining milk with a pile of sugar at the bottom of the bowl that we drank up after eating our cereal.
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The list of ingredients on the SaraLee product in order of appearance:
- Sugar
- All the other stuff
Sweet death by insulin resistance
The Captain
Shocking that TWO TYPES of sugars appear in the list of ingredients before flour does!
When I look at this ingredient list I see:
Very bad, good, very bad, bad, very good, good, good, neutral, neutral, trace stuff to hold it all together.
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Looking at the way that the FDA has organized healthful eating from the 1920s to today.
Or follow Michael Pollanâs 14 tips for healthy eating.
14 tips from âFood Rules: An Eaterâs Manualâ (New York: Penguin Press. 2009)
Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.
Do all your eating at a table.
Donât buy cereals that change the color of the milk
If it came from a plant, eat it; if it was made in a plant, donât.
Have a glass of wine with dinner.
Treat treats as treats.
Eating what stands on one leg is better than eating what stands on two legs, which is better than eating what stands on four legs.
Eat wild foods if you can.
Eat only foods that will eventually rot
Eat all the junk food you want as long as you cook it yourself.
Donât get your fuel from the same place your car does.
Itâs not food if itâs served through the window of your car.
Itâs not food if itâs called by the same name in every language. (Think âBig Mac.â)
The banquet is in the first bite.
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Uh-oh. Does that threaten the consumption of pasta?
DB2
Sugar used to be a luxury item that made British absentee farmers rich on the crop grown by slaves in the Caribbean. In time it tricked down to the masses. We do have a sweet tooth that helped survive in harsh winter climates. Itâs quite amazing what one can learn these days on the Internet.
The Sweet Tooth Story
Before the Industrial Revolution the only sweets were honey and fruit. Fruit ripened in Autumn and animals gorged on it. Insulin stored the excess calories as fat and the animals could happily hibernate, the fat being their Winter source of water and calories.
The problem in incontinence. The Industrial Revolution made it possible to binge on everything.
The Captain
âIncontinence â Just Say Noâ
DB2
I wouldnât have bought this if it werenât for the donation.
But seriously, for those of you who are highly critical of the USDA food pyramid in the 1960s, what exactly would you have done differently to get Americans not to buy stuff like this?
if Americans wonât even wear masks to protect the elderly, how can you get us not to eat cake?