whole grains at the bottom
https://www.npr.org/2026/01/07/nx-s1-5667021/dietary-guidelines-rfk-jr-nutrition
intercst
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I donāt know anyone with a brain who says you should eat more saturated fats.
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Looks like a win for the Big Cooking Oil interests.
āItās got electrolytes.ā
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But you do know someone with a brain worm who thinks itās a good idea!
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Butter, lard, and tallow? Yummy!
The Captain
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As both a cook (mostly for lumberjacks, truckers, and 16-18 year old Boy Scouts doing lots of strenuous stuff at higher altitudes) and a person who gets hungry, I am totally with the capān! (Obviously, within boundsā¦)
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Some think most of the harm was in transfats. Now its rare to find anything but 0% transfats on labels. Moderate amounts are probably ok.
There are only three food groups: carb, fat, protein. Proteins tend to be expensive. Over emphasis on fat resulted in high carb diets. Now we know that is unhealthy. So OK, olive oil is preferred. Other polyunsaturated oils are probably ok but do react with air and become rancid. We agree that french fries fried in beef fat (tallow) are best.
Moderation is the key. Extreme diets are not usually a good idea.
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If weāre talking about macronutrients, youāre missing water and fiber. Donāt worry, I still think you probably have more knowledgable about nutrition than our leader of the HHS!
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Yep, beer, pizza and ice cream.
And, āLittle chocolate donuts are the Breakfast of Championsā
intercst
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Itās great to be able to agree and disagree!. 
Saturated fats got a bad rap back in the days on Ancel Keys, not on bad science but on no science at all. Supposedly these fats clogged the gut like plumbing gets clogged. I recall it making sense to me, liquid oil should be healthier. That was not science based.
Later I heard about what makes fats good or bad, chemistry. Saturated means no weak molecular links which makes these fats stable. Mono unsaturated means one weak link. Polyunsaturated means more weak links making them even less stable.
Butter is made from milk, natureās baby food. Would evolution pick bad over the good? Does that make sense?
I use butter in recipes, lard to cook, and olive oil to season. Jews use chicken fat. When making chicken soup make sure to harvest the fat, an absolutely necessary ingredient of matzo balls.
The Captain
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Iām not aware of too many folk with a brainā¦.and a fundamental understanding of nutrition etcā¦..who promoted a diet of ultra processed food , full of refined carbohydrates thatāre harmful to health either. Outside of the ultra processed food marketing industry, that is.
Iāve mentioned beforeā¦.many timesā¦Ancel Keys never included SnackWell cookies in his recommendations.
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Youāre rightā¦..thereās nothing science based about this description. Fortunately, Ancel Keys along with contemporary food scientists and physiologists understood that very wellā¦.as is the case to an even greater extent today. In fact, much of his work (including the books of his that I own) refutes earlier studies on ācholesterolā and heart diseaseā¦..comparatively easy to do as those early influential studies were lab based and involved feeding rabbits a cholesterol rich diet. In fact, one of his observations was that ābadā diets are rarely bad for one reason alone.
Now, of course, back in the 1950s he was at a serious disadvantage compared to us WRT the potential for understanding the pathophysiology of, say, ASCVD (which was the focus of his later researchā¦ā¦not so much excessive fatness) Much of the pathophysiology of this disease has been mapped out thanks to technological advances since his dayā¦..ability to measure individual lipoproteins, for instance (including but not limited to Lp(a) and Apo-b lipoproteinā¦..to repeat just two culprits that folk can , and should, be aware of in this context)
And to further emphasize just how different the pathogenesis of ASCVD actually is from āfats clogging the gut like plumbing gets cloggedā, hereās something else that Keys et.al. couldnāt have been aware of (but adds to the understanding/confusion surrounding dietary fats and the. role of lipoproteins in ASCVD)
History of Discovery: The LDL Receptor - PMC History of Discovery: The LDL Receptor - PMC
Keys was not wrong with his observations.
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Cowās milk is evolutions answer for growing a calf into a cow. Not sure it follows that cowās milk would then be good for adult humans. Definitely good for the dairy industry.
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Let me now when you find out.
The Captain
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Reminds me about when los demoniocitos first asked what was in tres leches cake. I explained that it has three types of milk - cow milk, human milk, and monkey milk. They still gobbled it up. If it tasted good, those kids would have eaten anything!
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Hereās one reasonably measured ātakeā thatās drifted across my radar screen already. Itās a long read but informativeā¦
It might be if I knew what this list of gibberish meant
DGA
DC
MAHA
SNAP
WIC
GRAS
RIP
USDA
HHS
DGAC
AAP
UPF
IMO
NASEM
PREDIMED
PUFA
CVD
DRI
BMI
AGE
Iām having enough problems with Portuguese. This week I bought a kilo of chicken legs and when I got home they had transmogrified into chicken breasts. Amazing! I cooked the last of them today. A bit dry for my taste. The alternative to butcher shops are supermarkets but you get tons of CCPP**. Should I protect my health or stop CC?
The Captain
** Climate Change Plastic Packaging
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I guess it might be a bit heavy on the technical jargon for someone who doesnāt have a basic grasp of the topic. Probably how come youāre so easy to bamboozle when it comes to the role of saturated fats in the development of cardiovascular disease and Ancel Keys as scapegoat for a nationās craptaculous eating habits.
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You really protect the guy, donāt you? 
Something similar happens in my field, some people show off with jargon while useful people communicate.
The Captain
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Something of an inevitability if youāve read stuff written by him vs. written about him.
Beyond that, itās also a worthwhile exercise to challenge misinformation thatās promoted on the internet. You can never be too sure who might be interested in actual facts with a diverse readership
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