Sorry I didn’t realize there were tens of millions of those jobs available.
I think there are. With an IQ of 50 one needs constant supervision (think sheltered workshop). However, an IQ of 80 is fine for cleaning tables at Wendy’s for example.
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Well that was a bipartisan effort by both political parties. Looks like those folks have no one looking out for their economic interests. No surprise I suppose. They ain’t no source of political campaign contributions.
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Yikes. This attitude is incompatible with America, which was built by immigrants of exactly these types. Many immigrants came to America from dictatorship-like European monarchies that supported Catholic and Protestant laws that were as extreme and cruel as Sharia law. Immigrant Jews excelled in the US educational system, much like current immigrants from China. A massive wave of potato-famine immigrants from Ireland came to Ellis Island because they couldn’t deal with the starvation and oppression at home, much like present day Central American refugees.
America was built by people willing move long distances to an entirely different culture in order to have a better life for their children.
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For one candidate, they are the biggest supporters (lit & fig).
When the school systems in China are made up almost exclusively of Chinese students about half of the time the teachers shrug and think another student that won’t even go to the high school. Many if not a majority of Chinese students do not go to high school dropping out instead in junior high.
This honorary praise for Chinese students sets a path very early on. It is not earned any more than any other good student who gets skipped over in an American classroom because they are just American.
Praise and expectations set aside just for Chinese students have been very unfair to a lot of good kids who are not necessarily Chinese.
The Jewish kids did not get that at all in 1900. The cultural problems were also a strength for the Jewish students. Knowing two or three languages and studying more worked. Parents who owned their businesses and needed kids in the business from very young ages taught the young more than being on the farm. It was an edge the farm kids did not have. People coming in from the farms around 1900 to the cities saw a 20-point jump in their IQs.
My main point I am against the American brain drain. It leaves a lot of poverty and authoritarianism in its wake.
We need more educated people. In todays world, these people can be multicontinental. But we can not have an idea drain to China.
Politically the Muslim world wants domination. Can not blame them. The political structures being offered are horrid. If that is what we get as the numbers of Muslims rise we’d be crazy to allow it.
As a nondescript way of working this ranking government as a democratic republic or less so or not at all should make a process for multicontinental movement. We have that with our passports mostly right now. Except we do not see it as we can go anywhere almost. We need to develop this for jobs and education.
I am also for being realistic about the challenges in foreign affairs.
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What in the world are you talking about? Praise goes to all kids who perform above average. It just so happens that the children of immigrants generally outperform natives. It also just so happens that a large percentage of current immigrants are from China.
Why Do Immigrants Outperform Native-Born Americans? | Psychology Today.
Why the Children of Immigrants Get Ahead | TIME
This is all mostly fantasy. Here is an interesting article from an Israeli research about the academic overperformance of Jews and Asians. You should read it so you don’t have to make up stuff. Factors Contributing to the Academic Excellence of American Jewish and Asian Students on JSTOR
Remember that when discussing immigrants we are talking about people trying to leave the Muslim world for a better society.
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I have documented this repeatedly. You do not read anyone else’s materials or ideas.
If you read things the first time you would not ask that question.
When people disagree with you immediately say they have to be wrong. That is garbage on your part.
Look at Paris and London. It does not work out that way.
More importantly, when it does work there is a different problem the brain drain. We need to keep people in place to moderate their governments at home. Our boys and girls will otherwise need to war with them later. We need governments to bend towards democratic republics. That won’t happen with the best and brightest leaving their countries of origin.
You know nothing on the topic. IQs rose in the early 1900s as kids came in off the farms into the cities. The IQ test was reset. Jews carried a history of education that other groups did not.
The Chinese in China do not carry a history of education on proportionately the same scale at all. Like I said almost half of the Chinese drop out before high school in China.
You need to stop arguing points only to hear yourself. In other words, in your world, you are never wrong. That is far from being true.
I certainly have many faults. But that is irrelevant to the observation that you seem to make up a lot of stuff.
The people leaving bad governments built America. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore."
We are the product of that “wretched refuse”. That’s the great American experiment—Can average people build a great society?
Which isn’t true. China’s high school graduation rate is about 77%.
Point though is that what you wrote is irrelevant to the issue being discussed. The relevant point is that immigrant kids generally outperform native kids. They generally work harder. That shouldn’t be surprising. The very nature of immigration selects for people who are above normal in risk-taking and work ethic. Doesn’t matter if one is black, white, brown, yellow, green, blue, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc. If a person is willing to walk across a desert to build a better life, chances are they have most of the attributes required to be succesful.
Where I disagree with much of the Left and much of Europe is that I am not a big fan of multiculturalism when it comes to incorporating immigrants. I believe in the old American ideal of the melting pot, a common culture rather than a collection of cultures, but that’s just me.
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Perhaps you are average and the answer is no.
One such survey of rural provinces showed the dropout rate for primary school students in certain rural provinces was 4.4% and then increased to 22.7% for junior high students. Another survey of 17 junior high schools in 14 rural counties revealed in some areas the dropout rate was close to 40%.Aug 10, 2023
What is the dropout rate for high school students in China?
Overall, the Chinese Education Department reports that 77 percent of students who start high school graduate from a high school – academic or vocational -before age 20. Around 6% of students stop studying before the Zhong Kao which are not included. Jun 16, 2023
I have never seen you use statistics correctly. I mean never. Now you will insist the graduation rate is 77%. You won’t read a word and say to the rest of us you are wrong. I said before high school for a reason. Your stat is only the high school students. You can not read or get the maths right for stats.
That dropout rate in 17 junior highs in 14 rural districts of 40% is common. The population is still rural and not fully counted but 40% junior high school dropout rates are common.
You constantly misread everyone else’s writings and drum up the wrong stats.
I gave full evidence of favoritism towards Chinese students by American teachers. The constant idea that they are better students from day one in American classrooms. Their paths cut out for them to excel regardless of all the other students in the classroom who are not Chinese. American teachers fully assume Chinese students are better harder working students. You make that assumption in spades. There is full evidence when students are not given favoritism they do not do as well. There are a lot of American students not given the favoritism that Chinese students get every day. In China, some 40% of students drop out before high school commonly. Therefore the 77% high school grad rate of only those who enroll at all in high school means 60% perhaps by 23% roughly 12% plus close to 40% around 50% of Chinese students do not have a high school degree or diploma. Even if you cut this down to 35% trying to be extra conservative in respect to the cities you have a lot of crappy common Chinese students like anywhere else.
Before you try to blow up the maths remember you are at 23% by your citing. You have to add considerably to the 23%.
We have commonly better graduation rates by far in the US.
Without the endless pandering to a single race, this is the common American high school graduation rate of 87%. The concept of junior high dropouts is almost unheard of in the US.
87 percent
The U.S. Department of Education first collected the ACGR in 2010–11. The U.S. average ACGR for public high school students increased from 79 percent in 2010–11 to 87 percent in 2019–20. On average, the ACGR increased by about 1 percentage point per year over this period, including from 2018–19 to 2019–20.
You will never be big enough to admit you are wrong. Instead, I will get a long write-up of crap to substantiate all sorts of other stuff. It is garbage.
If you claim you are only talking about the common immigrant students that is not true for a hundred other nationals in comparison because the stereotype is most pronounced just for Chinese students. The American teachers read it just like you do about Chinese students.
Ph.D piled higher and deeper
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Separately there was no old American ideal. It was Euro-centric. That became a legal problem in the 1960s and we went to a global policy of immigration.
We need to change the paradigm again. We need workers throughout the Western world. We can make a multicontinental concept of democratic republics sharing top workers. It already exists but making it easier would translate into a better functioning society. We need to incorporate India into this. Regardless of the conservative nature of the current government India is a democratic republic. The wealth divide is closing. The educated Indians are invaluable to Western society.
One unaddressed part of this would be American income tax status. While we think of America as taxing you regardless of where you live every other Western nation has higher taxes. Both need to be fixed to induce elite workers to shift through different countries to work. This is particularly true in high tech and the management of heavy industry.
We know people are multicontinental or multinationals now. This must be made easier among the republics. That would be followed by less elite workers having an easier time shifting nations as well to meet economic needs.
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Here are more statistics that I am misusing. In China, grades 1-9 are compulsory. Not surprising then then over 90% of the Chinese student population finish the 9th grade. After that students are directed to either high school or vocational school. Ultimately about 77% of the overall population finish education at the high school level. Hence the following graph:
Here is more. Almost 60% of the college age Chinese population are enrolled in college. I’m guessing they all probably graduated from high school.
You take data from poor rural areas and generalize it to the whole population. That’s disingenuous.
This is very suggestive. When you say “American students” are you saying anyone who isn’t Chinese or perhaps more generally Asian? Just a reminder, the Chinese students in American classrooms are also usually American. Americans include Asians. Teachers have favorable impressions of what are called the model minorities. These include Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Jews, Indians, among others. Why are you just targeting the Chinese?
China is still a much poorer country than the US. This makes its educational rise more impressive. It has gone from and 80% illiteracy to less than 5% in just a couple of decades, pretty good for a country with 20% of the global population.
Anyway, one more statistic that I want to misuse. PISA does annual international testing to compare students from across the globe. I found a nice figure for 2018. China is listed here as Macau. The Chinese education system seems to be pretty effective, at least at the top end.
One final tidbit. There is a yearly international competition called the Math Olympiad where the best students from each country compete. The US team came in second to the Chinese in 2023. Here is a pic of the US team. Note the ethnicities. Immigrants would appear to be important for American competitiveness.
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There have been massive improvements much more recently. In 2004 only 49% graduated high school.
What is the dropout rate for high school students in China?
Overall, the Chinese Education Department reports that 77 percent of students who start high school graduate from a high school – academic or vocational -before age 20. Around 6% of students stop studying before the Zhong Kao which are not included.Jun 16, 2023
Zhongkao is before high school.
100% minus 6% is .94
.94 * .77 is 72%
I was at 65% with older stats.
The bad news for China this is going to be reversed. The economy is shot.
Xi does not want education if he thinks about it.
But Shangqiu is not planning to spend the money on public services. On the contrary, the city plans to cut spending on education, health care, employment protection, transportation and many other public services, according to budget documents on its website.
My comment is par for the course in China.
Turn around and this pinnacle you found in Chinese higher education is outdated.
Your comments are mostly “sound and fury signifying nothing” because you are making wild conclusions based on old or misunderstood data.
I made no claims about Chinese higher education other than a lot of Chinese are educated and Chinese students are very competitive in international math competitions. My claim is that immigrants tend to be more motivated than the average person to succeed and work. That is why immigrants to America regardless of ethnicity tend to overachieve relative to natives.
But I want to go back to an earlier exchange:
The notion that average people cannot build a great society is about as anti-American as one can get. And I should say that I embrace being average. My parents were working class, I was the first in the family to go to college. That’s America.
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Patriotism is the refuge of scoundrels.
It was a joke because the question was ridiculous.
I do not see people as average. It was your notion, your question.
The stats place Chinese immigrants’ children ahead of American children. There is plenty of evidence of preferential treatment that even other immigrants do not get.
Just another way of you not listening to anyone else. You misunderstood China is past what you are discussing and sliding downhill. It has nothing to do with how you see me or any other poster. You won’t listen to anyone here without insisting on expertise you often do not have.
The statement was forward-looking with current data. It was your data plus Chinese nationwide budget cuts for education. You do not even know what was said.