Or maybe it’s because with all the fully funded max tuition paying foreign students coming in, there is less reason for schools to fund the qualified students who can’t afford to pay.
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Do you have any proof for your allegations?
Jaak
It’s a well known strategy to apply to out of state universities to get your kid in if they are on the fence. While GT was Eldest’s first choice, tied with Carnegie Mellon, his high B grade average was competing against 4.0+ applications. While he did step it up after visiting GT Sophomore year, realizing he was screwing himself out of going to his first pick if he didn’t get out of coast mode, I am sure that the double tuition GT got from us over what a local kid would pay is what got him into that school.
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So your kid couldn’t get into GT or CMU because of grades but by paying double tuition your kid got into GT? I do not know what double tuition means - never heard of it.
Jaak
Or maybe it’s because with all the fully funded max tuition paying foreign students coming in, there is less reason for schools to fund the qualified students who can’t afford to pay.
This is only marginally true. There are quota systems the schools put in place for how many foreign students they will take.
The statements that, “I see all the Asians or whoever fill in the blank in the classrooms…” by others (not directed at you) are race conscious kind of cultural racism ideas. In other words how a white person v an Asian person registers are different to the individuals seeing things that way, “they are everywhere”…uh huh…
So your kid couldn’t get into GT or CMU because of grades but by paying double tuition your kid got into GT? I do not know what double tuition means - never heard of it.
Jaak
Your not having heard of it explains a lot, but first a clarification. Eldest got into both Carnegie Mellon and GT, but chose GT. He likely would have had a harder time getting into Tech if we had not been out of state and paying close to double the tuition that instate residents pay. He went from not having to do much in the way of work to get decent grades to having to compete hard to get at least a B average. Then again, much of the time he was in high school he was teaching himself how to hack, with things like studying history on the back burner. GT’s so competitive that his fraternity had mandatory study groups for those not meeting a 3.0 gpa, and for anyone who just wanted a leg up in their studies. Yeah, plenty of drinking too, I am sure.
And yes, GT has had to defend themselves against their ever declining enrollment of GA students, stating that if the state was going to continue to reduce the money they sent to GT, they had to get it from higher tuition from non-residents. Since the number of available spots are limited, if more slots go to out of state and foreign students, there is fewer for GA residents. Many state colleges set quotas for a minimum number of in-state residents that must be offered acceptance letters.
From a quick google:
First, it’s simple finance. Barring any scholarships, you’re going to pay more to attend an out-of-state school. It’s no secret (or it shouldn’t be) that at many public institutions the out-of-state student tuition subsidizes what the in-state students pay. Most states aren’t exactly covering the entire (or even close to it!) cost of educating its own. Hence, tuition.
If in-state students are paying much less than out-of-state students, guess how the math works there. Bottom line: colleges need the money from out-of-state (and international) students. If they didn’t get to charge the out-of-state students more, then the in-state tuition would increase significantly. So, at some institutions, it’s a little easier to get in simply because they need your money.
https://smartcollegevisit.com/2019/09/out-of-state-college-e…
GA has great academic scholarships for residents that chose to go to a GA public university. It’s HIGHLY competitive for slots at GT because of that, but also creates a large need for someone to pay lots of tuition. An excellent state university typically costs the same as an elite private school for out of staters.
HTH,
IP
Eldest got into both Carnegie Mellon and GT, but chose GT. He likely would have had a harder time getting into Tech if we had not been out of state and paying close to double the tuition that instate residents pay.
GT has had to defend themselves against their ever declining enrollment of GA students, stating that if the state was going to continue to reduce the money they sent to GT, they had to get it from higher tuition from non-residents. Since the number of available spots are limited, if more slots go to out of state and foreign students, there is fewer for GA residents. Many state colleges set quotas for a minimum number of in-state residents that must be offered acceptance letters.
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I am confused with your wording. Do you live in GA or PA? What school do you mean by saying Tech?
Well I did know about out of state students having to pay more than instate students at State colleges/universities. It is the same in California. There is a quota system for instate and out-of-state. It has been that way for decades across America. In the 1960s when I went to school, California did not charge more for out-of-state students. That is why so many people came to California for free college in the 1960s. Ronald Regan ended that policy when he became governor.
So is your complaint that you have to pay out of state costs for your son to attend GT!
Why did your son want to go out of state?
Jaak
Do you live in GA or PA?
Not sure why it matters but we have never lived in GA. Tech in this case is Ga Tech or Georgia Institute of Technology.
So is your complaint that you have to pay out of state costs for your son to attend GT!
LOL. How much have you had to drink tonight? Go back and read the thread when sober and perhaps you can get back on track.
Here’s some Cliff Notes to get you started:
IP
Foreign students are not necessarily at US colleges and universities because they are more gifted, but because they can pay the out of state tuition. This could be the cause of pushing locals out of the chance to receive admittance, particularly if it requires aid. There are only so many seats available.
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Sorry if I offended you in any way. I did not intend any malice.
Getting back to the subject, I disagree with your perception as stated above. Public colleges/universities DO NOT care if the out-of-state students are foreign or domestic as they both are required to pay the same tuition costs. Public colleges/universities only care about the out-of-state student’s academic standing, area of study and ability to pay for out-of-state tuition.
If some states like GA do not fund their public colleges/universities adequately, then there are less seats for instate students.
Instate students need to compete for the open slots at public colleges/universities and for financial aid. The gifted students go the front of the line.
Out-of-state foreign and domestic students need to compete for the open slots at public colleges/universities. The gifted students go to the front of the line.
Some public colleges/universities do provide special allowances for a small percentage of students for admission and financial aid if they come from disadvantaged situations but still show promise to excel.
Jaak
P.S. - I am always sober because at my ripe old age I do not drink alcohol.
Public colleges/universities DO NOT care if the out-of-state students are foreign or domestic as they both are required to pay the same tuition costs.
Come budget time that is just not true. Money talks.
There is a balance of spots for foreign full paying students.
I know at MIT even with foreign students charged and collected for the full freight of tuition is less than the actual cost of the education. Yes you read that right MIT does not charge the students of any global region what it actually in full costs to educate them. MIT is ultra aware of who is enrolled.
What the motives are in full is never discussed publicly.
I know at MIT even with foreign students charged and collected for the full freight of tuition is less than the actual cost of the education. Yes you read that right MIT does not charge the students of any global region what it actually in full costs to educate them. MIT is ultra aware of who is enrolled.
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You are missing the point. I was discussing public colleges/universities. MIT is private.
Jaak