2043 US Population Decline Begins

https://mishtalk.com/economics/the-cbo-projects-that-by-2043…
Hopefully the US will move toward an immigration admittance policy that applies more weight on skills & education regardless of where the immigrant’s country of origin than family relation policy currently in place.

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The main policy currently in place is the “attract and then deplore and exploit illegal immigrants” policy. A nasty piece of work. Immigration policy discussions that ignore this cornerstone actual policy are somewhat bizarre, but prove the fantastic success of the policy of the exploiters in getting the body politic to NOT discuss the real policy except to officially deplore it.

Of course legal immigrants also come and have an important impact, but whatever policy we might chose to have regarding legal immigrants would be swamped by the impact of actually sanctioning employers who employ illegals.

david fb
(been repeating this damn argument fruitlessly to both lefties and rightie ever since I organized on behalf of grape pickers in California back in the 60’s.)

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Just 97 years after the Baby Boom took off.

Are these projections based on women being able to control if and when they will have a child? I searched the link and the word women seems to be missing.

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David: Of course legal immigrants also come and have an important impact

I’ve a Hindu friend immigrant in the healthcare field, one of those “Americans don’t want this job” situations.
His company required him to relinquish his documents - ie HE does not physically possess his “permjt-to-work papers”.

The company holds this over him, in effect, FORCING him to be subservient and docile.
The company is (supposedly) working legally to get him “better” work permits and “worker status”, but, in reality seems to be dragging the process out, and (IMO) abusing my friend for their monetary gain.
And, this all appears legal… under the current system.

Therefore, USian immigration laws, about illegals or legals need some “humanity” added.

But, as David points out, the policy is a huge success for the JCs. Why upset an apple cart that’s working as planned?

:alien:
ralph

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If I correctly recall something I read a while back, the US birth rate has been hovering around (sometimes a bit above, sometimes a bit below) replacement level for a few decades now. And it has been held UP by a higher birth rate among immigrants and their first-generation descendants than among those whose ancestors have been here a while. Actual population growth has, overall, consisted almost entirely of new immigrants.

(Annoyingly, the sites I’m finding with historical birth rates express them as births per thousand people per year, while the sites that express the birth rate needed to sustain the population without immigration express it as lifetime births per woman. Hard to compare.)

Maybe that iPad app, ProCreate, can help with this. (There’s an app for that!) :wink:

been repeating this damn argument fruitlessly to both lefties and rightie ever since I organized on behalf of grape pickers in California back in the 60’s

Could be a sign that you’ve got something incorrect.

DB2

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I searched the link and the word women seems to be missing.

Did you try ‘birthing person’? :slight_smile:

DB2

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flier,

The US has a long history of using people from slavery to supply side economics. The immigration law has not been updated because the country has wanted to use people.

That is and has to change for all Americans and the people who work here.

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I know those who see the world primarily through the prism of economics will disagree, but declining population is a good thing.

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