Anybody remember hydroxychloroquine?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/hydroxychloroquine-oral-route/description/drg-20064216
Hydroxychloroquine is used to treat malaria. It is also used to prevent malaria infection in areas or regions where it is known that other medicines (eg, chloroquine) may not work. Hydroxychloroquine may also be used to treat coronavirus (COVID-19) in certain hospitalized patients.

DB2

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And the next paragraph.

Using this medicine alone or with other medicines (eg, azithromycin) may increase your risk of heart rhythm problems (eg, QT prolongation, ventricular fibrillation, ventricular tachycardia). Hydroxychloroquine should only be used for COVID-19 in a hospital or during clinical trials. Do not take any medicine that contains hydroxychloroquine unless prescribed by your doctor.

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Yep. And the parting sentence…

“Portions of this document last updated Sept 1st 2023,”

I’m willing to bet that the opening paragraph (excerpted above) is NOT one of those portions.

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Self-medication is always iffy.
“Pass me the penicillin…”

DB2

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One of the panaceas, offered, alternately, with straight denial, to dismiss covid.

Steve

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That is a very misleading statement. A few doctors in hospital settings tried it early on just to see if it had any value. It most certainly had no value.

That did not stop the charlatans. The switch from one snake oil to the next was a matter of time.

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Why would the Mayo Clinic make ‘very misleading’ statements?

DB2

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It depends on when it was written and who the author was.

The position changed early on to exclude the drug. It was worthless.

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It is current. Go to the Mayo Clinic website and their ‘Drugs and Supplements’ page. Click on the letter H and scroll down to hydroxychloroquine.

DB2

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@DrBob2 You’d need to ask a doctor but the drug is worthless for Covid.

may be used in certain hospital circumstances… that does not mean it works. The folks who think it works or does anything to COVID-19 will be misled.

Yeah, all those charlatans at Mayo…

DB2

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You know any drug that does hit have side effects? Even aspirin has side effects.

The Captain

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I started taking plaquenil back in 3/2020 after talking to a friend who is Mayo clinic trained and a rheumatologist. He said that in their immunocompromised population they were not seeing any ANY covid infections (he was communicating with rheumatologists in LA, Chicago and NYC). I told him I was considering taking it prophylactically for Covid because of the reports that were coming out about it being protective, but was it safe. He said that it was safe, he has been taking it for 20 years for arthritis. I started taking it at that time and have been taking it since because my morning aches and pains disappeared after about 6 weeks. Just so you know, hydroxychloroquine (plaquenil) has been used all over the world after being discovered in 1949. It is estimated that some 5 million people take it in the US. It is a very safe drug. Side effects are written by the company for medicolegal reasons and as capt said all drugs have side effects - we just ignore the ones on the meds that we WANT to take in my opinion. I take hydroxychloroquine because my joints don’t hurt anymore when I get up in the morning and I’m not far from being a septuagenarian…doc

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Indeed. However, when the potential for adverse side effects is greatest than the benefits, there’s no value in taking it. In the case of hydroxychloroquine…and this was in spite of multiple attempts to demonstrate a use in Covid…no benefit was found. On the rare occasions that an apparent benefit was purported and the studies published, retractions followed pretty promptly as data were scrutinized and attempts to reproduce said benefits failed.

One of the researchers who promoted the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combo and claimed astounding…ultimately found to be fabricated…success is mentioned in this one article from RetractionWatch…

The more things change, the more they stay the same (I’m sure there are still articles sloshing around the internet praising Andrew Wakefield’s brave stance against The Establishment)

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There is a lot of medical literature now coming out that both ivermectin and plaquenil are effective for decreasing minimizing symptoms of covid when started before one gets life threatening symptoms like this Mayo Clinic article. Also, doctors all over the US are suing their state boards, hospitals and anyone who tried to limit or acted against them when they spoke up about plaquenil and ivermectin being safe effective and cost effective for covid. That family doctor from Houston that CNN ridiculed on the news for suggesting ivermectin to treat covid when she went to Washington DC sued CNN for 100 million dollars over a year ago. The media hasn’t reported on it since and I’m thinking that maybe she won and signed a NDA. The media isn’t carrying the news on all these doctors suing state boards and hospitals either…doc

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The family doctor from Houston…do you mean this one?

Also one of those Frontline Doctors…

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Really?

Do you even know what content you are defending?

Ya know, google is your friend:

To quote:

Dr. Immanuel does not limit her defamation claim to the coverage of her speech. She also alleges that CNN defamed her by publishing statements she herself had made about her religious beliefs and their impact on her views about medical treatment. The alleged defamation consisted of CNN playing and reporting about statements from Dr. Immanuel’s own sermons posted on her YouTube channel for the Fire Power Ministries Church. Dr. Immanuel alleges that CNN’s coverage was defamatory. But there is no basis to infer that CNN was defamatory in its largely verbatim quotations about what Dr. Immanuel had said and published on her YouTube channel.

“they’re [medical science] using alien DNA to treat people.” CNN quoted her as saying that “[A]lien DNA was used in medical treatments.” (Id. at 12). Dr. Immanuel stated that “medical sciences have gotten to the fact that there are children being born that are transhuman[s]”; that “they are … mixing human beings with demons”; and that women can get pregnant through “astral sex” with a “human being that’s a witch,” or with “incubuses and succubuses” that steal [sea men] and “turn into a man and … sleep with another woman and deposit the [sea men] and produce more of themselves.”


This lady claimed that we were using alien DNA, astral sex, witches, and demons. Did you really want to reference her to support your positions?!?

And CNN defamed her? :rofl:

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I was interested in this comment and came up with this; so I think I’ll pass.

Plaquenil and your eyes
A rare side effect of Plaquenil is damage to the eye’s retina. The retina is the light-sensitive tissue at the back of the eye. Using Plaquenil for a long period of time may harm the retina, causing serious vision loss.
People with retinal damage from Plaquenil are not aware at first that they are losing vision. Unfortunately, vision loss from Plaquenil can be permanent. If you take Plaquenil, it is very important to see an ophthalmologist regularly. Your ophthalmologist will check your retina for problems before serious damage occurs.
https://www.aao.org/eye-health/drugs/what-is-plaquenil

JimA

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So, Vee, what then do you think is going on at the Mayo Clinic?

DB2

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I’ve contacted Mayo and asked why their page on hydroxychloroquine still includes this info. I think it’s just a page that has not been updated properly (among the hundreds/thousands of pages of info on their site) since early in the pandemic. We’ll see what they say.

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