I agree it is interesting. I tried chlorine because I heard it was effective but all I noticed was the ring around the toilet vanished. At least that was a great side benefit, no more hard water.
Andy
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Andy,
You had other problems. Probably unsolvable.
You know I love you. (you only hurt the people you love)
There are people who created an industry around Covid to profit. Any lie they could tell they told. Paraded out as science it was utter lies.
When I say ejit, it was the doctor who had fallen from grace and wanted to &uck the public. It was the physiologist who claimed vitamins were necessary to stay awake through the day.
Many people were trying to fleece the American public.
Those half behind people are ejits.
They had plenty of followers.
Also fascinating (and disturbing) is the desire by some to spread disinformation that could harm peopleâs health. Here is some context for this story as it made the national news. The OP seems to be channeling posts from conspiracy blogs into TMF, while I suspect that âphysicianâ (wink wink) fellow is just making stuff up (his âmayo-trainedâ expert is probably just a sandwich maker).
The official Mayo Clinic position on plaquenil is here and is unambiguous:
Hydroxychloroquine is not recommended as a treatment for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). Also, hydroxychloroquine doesnât prevent infection with the virus that causes COVID-19.
I actually have read a lot of the studies on hydroxychloroquine during the pandemic. I know of no randomized studies that showed any benefit for covid treatment or prevention. There are no medical reasons to take hydroxychloroquine for covid. But there are apparently political reasons to do so.
Nevertheless, I donât think politics justifies lying about medical treatments. Not a nice thing to do.
Stick to tried and true methods like injecting bleachâŚ
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I got one of those cool white four-foot bulbs under my skin down my backbone. Cured me instantly.
if you ask an ejit a stupid question he will try and make a fast buck. Sociopathic.
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no, No, NO! The âthought leaderâ was talking about shoving a UV light up your kazoo, while mainlining Clorox. That was another stop along the âpanacea of the weekâ parade in 2020.
Steve
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âno, No, NO! The âthought leaderâ was talking about shoving a UV light up your kazoo, while mainlining Cloroxâ
That was the most surreal utterance I have ever heard coming out of the mouth of a POTUS. I remember at 1st saying "wait, did he really say that, I must have heard that wrong ". But no, the clown really did say that !
I am all for self learning, but am under no delusion that watching a youtube video of a self proclaimed âexpertâ, or doing 5 or 10 google searches on a subject will make one an expert, especially on medical/health/disease. There are a whole lot of delusional Americans out there.
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I agree Joe and that is why I listen to people who are doctorâs on either side of the subject. It doesnât do any good to listen to only one side of an argument. But what people did here, and I think what Syke was alluding to, they chose sides based on political views. How stupid is that? That is why I tend to listen to people with Doctor or Physician to their names and try to understand what they are saying and everyone else, not so much.
Andy
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WORD!
Well said Mr @buynholdisdead
ralph has a buddy who is attempting his first 100 mile ârunâ, today.
Iâm sending positive energy!
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Problem is, Andy, that in the early days of the pandemic, the doctors mentioned in this threadâŚthose Nations Frontline Doctors (led by Stella Immanuel MD)âŚwere all physicians. And who knows maybe even âphysicianâ and the Mayo trained rheumatologist he mentioned? They were all promoting the âother side of the argumentâ âŚi.e. the one that was already determined to be demonstrably falseâŚand using their doctorly status to try to valid their arguments as being somehow equivalent. Thatâs the dodgy part of this.
Folk manifestly fell for their guff and apparently continue to do so WRT hydroxychloroquineâŚas a quick check back on this thread will reveal by the number of 
some of these posts generated. What a hoot.
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I understand VeeEnn and not everyone is correct. I believe you are a doctor Right? At least your information seems to be very well thought out and professional. With people like you and other people I can read and listen to see what I assume to be the correct path. Will I probably believe something incorrectly? Yes but I donât have a problem with changing my mind when I am wrong. I do not hold my beliefs so strongly, as some of these people are doing, trying to prove they are correct. But in reality, as long as I can get you all to discuss it in the end I will come out with the correct assumption. I know I am not an expert on pharmaceuticals and is probably why I never invest in them.
Andy
P.S VeeEnn just because someone gives a to a post doesnât mean they have to agree with them. They only have to appreciate the thoughts they are bringing to the conversation.
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Iâm a dentistâŚbut not without critical thinking skills in spite of thatđ.
WRT the Covid pandemicâŚand infectious disease in general, come to thatâŚI rely quite a bit on my husbandâs expertise in the area. Heâs a transplant hepatologist and over the last 40 odd years has been a prolific researcher in various aspects of virology. Although this was an emergent disease and with a novel virus to boot, there were a lot of unknown unknownsâŚbut a fair bit that was known with a reasonable degree of certainty.
Add to that, I/we followed This Week in Virology consistently from the earliest days (before, really, as a former poster on the H&N board gave everyone a heads up on Vincent Racanielloâs excellent Virology podcasts)
Having said all that, I donât think that too much specific knowledge was necessary to see through the fatuous arguments used by these Covid denialists. How they expected their nonsense to age well has got me beat!!
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Itâs probably because it is based on populism and tribalism. I saw it many times in union movements, you find something people believe in very strongly, beat the drum really hard, get them all on your side and then send them at the problem. That is why I am very skeptical of any populist movements. They remove everyoneâs critical thinking and create a mob. You have to watch this on both sides but what is funny the crazier they get the more their beliefs and conspiracies co-align.
Andy
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One of the things I find fairly hard ⌠but not totally impossible ⌠is applying the same scrutiny and Baloney Detector to stuff that I want to be right or I think I know. Because that can end up not being so. This is where discerning sense from nonsense is toughâŚespecially when those advocating for the alternative stance are reasonably well qualified (but not necessarily experts in the field) and are also folk Iâve had a lot of time for in the past.
There are a few who have quite a presence and presumably following on social media who sound everso reasonable and open minded and who, on first blush, I might find very plausible. Itâs only stepping back and looking beyond that it become obvious that the underlying populist message is little different from the crackpots.
Maybe a good rule of thumb might be to seriously question anything you want to be true
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Agreed, I think that is a good rule of thumb and before doing anything make sure you understand all the benefits and risks.
Andy
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I donno @steve203 I doubt accuracy matters here.
Very true but the snake oil salesmen aka vitamin hosers front spokesperson is always a doctor who fell from grace. A crackpot. When a doctor ffffffffffffffffffffffsssssssssssssup he really does so. Talk about entering oz.
Yep and then the âthought leadersâ hooked into the idea that it pays off to mess around. Not that they were not messing around to begin with.
What your link from the Mayo clinic actually states:
Hydroxychloroquine is used to treat malaria. It is also used to prevent malaria infection in areas or regions where it is known that other medicines (eg, chloroquine) may not work.
Using this medicine alone or with other medicines (eg, azithromycin) may increase your risk of heart rhythm problems (eg, QT prolongation, ventricular fibrillation, ventricular tachycardia). Do not take any medicine that contains hydroxychloroquine unless prescribed by your doctor.
The part you added (Hydroxychloroquine may also be used to treat coronavirus (COVID-19) in certain hospitalized patients. ) is spurious.
It may indeed be spurious, but that is what the Mayo website read. It wasnât something I added.
DB2
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As far as I know or understand the two drugs are the exact same thing. Both are chloroquine.
It was added bull by someone who wants to make a buck off of lying to the public. Sounds like Fox.