You think there was a howl about trying to reduce coal consumption? Just wait until you try to put the tobacco industry out of business. “Traditional values!” “Steeped in American history!!!”. “JOBS!!!” Not to mention the tax revenue governments make off it, just like the thirst for revenue led to gambling and pot being legalized.
When do the studies start showing up that daily pot smoking increase cancer risk?
Steve
Hey Hey Hey let’s not get out of hand with this conversation. Tobacco bad Marijuana medically necessary.
Andy
They are after our guns and tobacco but we have pot so it is okay now.
Talk about incongruencies.
I hate tobacco.
My nonsmoking mother died of lung cancer caused by the second-hand smoke from my smoking father. My Ph.D. husband has smoked for 50 years and has moderate COPD. His father died of COPD at age 65, while the non-smoking siblings from the same parents lived into their 90s. DH was an active participant in his father’s death as he gave the instruction to remove his father from life support. So he knows the deal. But he’s addicted. He smokes his first cigarette within 5 minutes of waking up.
DH smoked inside until his mother visited. While she was there he smoked outside. After she left I told him that I wouldn’t tolerate him smoking indoors anymore. If he could smoke outside for his mother he could smoke outside for his wife. So he does.
I told DH that I would buy him a Subaru Outback if he would quit smoking. He was surprised that I was willing to spend so much money. I answered, “Don’t you think you’re more important to me than a car?”
Tobacco will never be outlawed in the U.S.
Not because of history but because nicotine is extremely addictive. Organized crime would be rubbing their palms together anticipating the opportunity to profit from Tobacco Prohibition. It would be more than cannabis since tobacco is more widespread and more addictive.
Wendy
My grandfather a"h was a tough old German guy. One day, after a lifetime of smoking, in middle of a cigarette, he decided to quit. He put it out in the ashtray, and then placed the ashtray and the half finished pack of cigarettes on the kitchen shelf (the little shelf on the wall above the kitchen table that normally has sugar jar, salt shaker, coffee, and cigs/ashtray, etc.)
That ashtray and half pack of cigarettes remained on that shelf for at least a decade probably two.
I gave up chewing tobacco, it was a fight. The only way I could do it was go on a hike in the mountains for a week. When I started hiking I threw my can out, by the end of the week I had kicked the habit. Still wanted a chew now and then but I could control the addiction. I was 40 years old and had been chewing for 25 years.
Andy
I don’t support the ban because one of these days they’ll ban something I like.
Creeping dictatorship.
The Captain
stopped smoking after a 10 day stay in the clinic with heart desease. Miraculously the urge to smoke just disappeared. Larry King said the same happened to him after heart surgery.
I’m a non/anti-smoker/never-smoker…thankfully married to one.
I credit my parents with this. They probably started in their teens (both left school at 14 so, if they weren’t smoking then, they probably started soon after) and continued until the consequences bit both of them in the cardiovascular system in their early 60s. The stench of a smoke filled room put me off early on and the intermittent claudication, high BP, congestive heart failure etc gave me reason to be glad I never started…and the waste of money, of course.
I never dated anyone who smoked, either …at least, not more than once…so I can enjoy a stink free home and partner. My mum, surprisingly, quit cold turkey quite literally the day before her appointment with the vascular surgeon for a workup as the guy was rumoured to be very anti smoking/smokers (imagine that!!) and never started up again so dad joined her in moral support. Both were amazed at how offensive the smell of a smoker is.
Daughter also a non smoker who gave her then boyfriend an ultimatum re his chewing habit. She won.
Agree that total prohibition will probably have the historical unintended consequences.
Indeed. There is already substantial tobacco smuggling between states with different tax rates.
“New York has the highest inbound smuggling activity, with an estimated 53% of cigarettes consumed in the state deriving from smuggled sources in 2018…Growing cigarette tax differentials have made cigarette smuggling both a national problem and, in some cases, a lucrative criminal enterprise.”
DB2
I’m a 40-pack year former Marlboro smoker. Quit 11.5 years ago. Happy that I did.
I used to buy my cigarettes from lots of places, mail order from Europe, mail order from Native American reservations, the list went on. I wasn’t a fan of paying lots for my Marlboros so I found every cheap way I could to purchase them at a discount.
I believe that one of the Native American reservations is located in upper State NY. Would that be considered smuggling if someone bought cigs from the Native American reservation in upper state and then transported them to Manhattan to sell them for 2x the cost?
'38Packard
It is smuggling. The NEXT part is more fun: Was the income reported in full, taxes paid, etc? If not, then add tax fraud. And the beat goes on…
Wow a smuggler and a tax fraud, now if you just carry a gun you will have hit the holy trinity.
Andy
Quit 2 packs a day in 06/1989. I was trying to quit for a couple of years and that was backfiring. I was smoking Carltons. The ultra lights you take a much deeper intake of the smoke. They used to burn in three minutes unlike Marb’s five. So I smoked two in a row…taking them in deeper. Quit with a smoking cessation class. Never looked back. What is that? 33.5 years. Four years later I stopped drinking. That is another story interlocked.
My FIL was one of those annoying smokers. He was always courteous, smoking outside. But he smoked every day and lived to 93.
—Peter
I smoked for 11 years-a pack & a half a day. Once cigarettes reached a $1/pack…adios muchachos. Cigarettes were 30 cents a pack when I started smoking. It did take 3 attempts to finally quit.
Dad said he quit smoking around 1950 when the price of cigarettes went up to 25 cents a pack. My non-smoking grandmother lived to see her hundredth birthday. My 3 smoking grandparents died between the ages of 64 and 72. Smoking is not a good idea in my family.
Only a problem if you sell them. Tobacco use is not illegal. If they were for your personal use or if you gave them away then it wouldn’t be smuggling.
DB2
I quit when cigs were $2.10 per pack at CVS. Used to be buying them by the cartoon.
Just finished reading a medical journal article that talked about changes in lung function from smoking marijuana. Then saw an online newsfeed article that said just the opposite. Having worked one summer in the R&D department of a pharmaceutical company, I know how to design a study to get the results you want.