They think they can eliminate Hamas, which would stop Palestinians from joining it.
It is unlikely they will loosen any of their policies - and that would include restrictions on food and other resources moving into Gaza.
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Certainly not the US WOT experience as occupation created more “terrorists/freedom fighters”
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Perhaps not. But it is possible to eliminate and/or reduce the membership of a specific terrorist organization.
I don’t think Israel’s short-term goal is to neuter the idea of armed resistance against Israel in general, or to prevent anyone from ever joining any group dedicated to that cause. Their goal is to destroy the specific organization of Hamas. That may or may not be possible. If nothing else, they want to materially reduce its capabilities along the lines of what happened to al-Qaeda and ISIS/Da’esh.
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What is the point if whatever replaces Hamas still has the same goals.
And I do not Hamas can be eliminated short of killing every Palestinians.
The Houtis have proven to be difficult, if not impossible, eliminate or stop their attacks on shipping.
Even if they have the same goals, they might not have the same capabilities. Hamas has basically controlled Gaza for nearly twenty years - it’s entirely possible that whatever new group emerges may not have as tight a monopoly on power in there. Even if it’s the same number of people, if there are multiple disparate groups vying for power it will be better for Israel than if there’s a single terrorist organization that’s in charge.
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Pipe dream.
Besides the failure of US WOT and regime change in which created refugee problems in the EU with rise of Muslim criminal element in Sweden; lets look at the Shitte Houtis. 10 years ago they kicked out the Sunnis Yemen leaders who were installed by the US/Saudis. Hence began the 7 year genocide war agin the Houtis using Saudis troops and aircraft but US provided munitions and air intelligence. Houtis still in power and due to Israel’s invasion of Gaza now attacking sea vessels in the Red Sea.
Billions have been spent on the operations plus loss of multiple $30 million dollar drones and a $60 million dollar f 18.
The US has launched ~750 airstrikes since March.
insanity-performing the same actions expecting a different result.
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There are counter-examples, sure. That’s why I didn’t say that they would certainly be able to do it. It’s just the goal.
But it’s not a pipe dream. The world can’t eliminate terrorism, any more than a country can eliminate crime. But it is possible to eliminate (or seriously cripple) specific terrorist organizations, just as a country can eliminate (or seriously cripple) specific criminal organization. The war on organized crime in the U.S. is a good example - we were unsuccessful in eliminating crime, but we were pretty successful in degrading the power and scope of specific groups like Murder Incorporated and notable crime families in the Cosa Nostra.
So, too, can terrorist organizations be weakened severely, and even if their followers maintain fervor they are less able to operate. That’s what happened with Narodnaya Volya, Shining Path, Al-Qaeda, Aum Shinrikyo, ISIS-Da’esh, the ETA in Spain, the PKK to some extent, and other terrorist organizations that have withered and waned in the face of efforts to kill or capture them. Persistent and coordinated repression of terrorist groups can work. It doesn’t eliminate terrorism writ large (any more than arresting criminals eliminates crime); it doesn’t even necessary eliminate the specific movement. But it can eliminate or significantly degrade the specific group.
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Do they really care about “legal requirements”? TIG is all in on ethnic cleansing. He’ll volunteer our credit card to “pay any price, bear any burden” to make Gaza safe for private profit.
Steve
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Hamas is a few percentage of the Gazans.
If Israel promotes the tribes the Palestinians through the tribes will negotiate with Israel.
60% of the Palestinians have freedom, rights, prosperity, and democracy with Israel. The other 40% subtract a few percent know they do not want this war.
Dear TJS,
Question, if Israel was 100% Muslim which side would you take?
So far some 50k plus are killed. In Sudan, Yemen, and Syria with over 1 million killed in each case…which side were you taking?
Israel is an Arab country. Does Arab only mean Muslim?
territory before being forced to leave as part of an ethnic cleansing campaign.
“Within a few months, we will be able to declare that we have won. Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said at a conference on illegal settlements in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, according to The Times of Israel.
“In another six months, Hamas won’t exist as a functioning entity… The population of Gaza will be concentrated from the Morag Corridor southwards. The rest of the Strip will be empty,” Smotrich said.
“The Gazan citizens will be concentrated in the south. They will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places,” Smotrich added.
Sound like a final solution plan.
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Dear TJS,
Makes sense to me.
How many more wars should Hamas and Israel fight otherwise?
Less than 6% of Gazans are Hamas. Of that 6% plenty are the wives of and not the militants. Although Hamas has been recruiting 15 years who are not married.
The people of Gaza are being moved out of the fighting. How is that ethnic cleansing?
I have read General Phil Sheridan said, of Native Americans:
1869
# “The only good Indian is a dead Indian”
Comanche Chief Tosahwi reputedly tells Sheridan in 1869, “Tosahwi, good Indian," to which Sheridan supposedly replies, “The only good Indians I ever saw were dead" (Brown, 1970).
https://nativephilanthropy.candid.org/events/the-only-good-indian-is-a-dead-indian/
But talking about these aspects of USian history is now deemed “woke”, thus illegal.
Steve
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Or mentioning Israel occupying Gaza or Palestinian starvation policy. You may notice the OP has been flagged.
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NYTimes Thomas Friedman letter to the president. He turns on Israel.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/09/opinion/trump-iran-israel.html
This Israeli Government Is Not Our Ally
that this Israeli government is behaving in ways that threaten hard-core U.S. interests in the region. Netanyahu is not our friend.
this ultranationalist, messianic Israeli government is not America’s ally. Because this is the first government in Israel’s history whose priority is not peace with more of its Arab neighbors and the benefits that greater security and coexistence would bring. Its priority is the annexation of the West Bank, the expulsion of the Palestinians of Gaza and the re-establishment there of Israeli settlements.
A crack Main Stream Media support for Israel?
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“What more evidence do you need now? Will you act – decisively – to prevent genocide and to ensure respect for international humanitarian law? Or will you say instead that ‘we did all we could?’”
Let’s put Sudan, Syria, Yemen, and Ukraine on hold. Because we are talking much greater losses. Focus, focus, focus…we have the bad guys.
Meanwhile if Gaza is not resolved Israel has to fight this war repeatedly.
Oh you say you have a magic answer for that?
Some time ago, I speculated what the land the UN complex is standing on would be worth, if some excuse is found to “deport” the UN, for “antisemitism”?
Steve
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