Macro impact of China helping Russia

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/world/europe/biden-xi-rus…

**Biden Warns China of ‘Consequences’ if It Aids Russia in Ukraine War**

**The New York Times, March 18, 2022**

**by David E. Sanger and Edward Wong**

**President Biden warned President Xi Jinping of China on Friday of “implications and consequences” if Beijing decides to give material aid to Russia to support its war in Ukraine, the White House said....U.S. officials have warned that Mr. Putin is hoping to secure economic help, military hardware and rations for troops from China. ...**

**In its public messages, the White House is implying that the United States could impose what are called “secondary sanctions” on China, the world’s second-largest economy. Of course, unlike Russia, China’s size and economic reach mean penalties against it could reverberate in a much bigger way across the global economy, and various governments and companies could lobby heavily against such sanctions....** [end quote]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-xi-talk-as-u-s-threatens-…

**White House Says Biden Warned China’s Xi of Consequences if Beijing Supports Russia on Ukraine**
**U.S. president tried to suggest the stakes for China during a nearly two-hour-long videoconference**
**by Alex Leary and Lingling Wei, The Wall Street Journal, March 18, 2022**

**...**

**Beijing has now settled on a clearer strategy: It won’t oppose Russia, and it will support Ukraine—what is described in China as “benevolent neutrality.”**

**The stance reflects Mr. Xi’s effort to stick to his strategic focus on making common cause with Russia to undermine the U.S.-led West, while trying to still present China as a responsible world leader....**

**China has denied U.S. assertions that Russia has sought its help, either through providing military equipment or economic assistance. ...** [end quote]

It’s not clear to me whether the U.S. statements that Russia has requested material aid from China is based on actual intelligence (denied by both Russia and China) or a pre-emptive fabrication meant to warn both R&C against trying such a thing.

The Macroeconomic blowback in the U.S. from major sanctions against China would be immediate and intense. The slight increase in gas prices from sanctions on Russia would be a pittance compared with sanctions against China.

Sanctions against China could include freezing their USD accounts, refusing to pay interest on their giant book of U.S. Treasuries and freezing trade with China. These would result in higher interest rates, much higher inflation and shortages of consumer goods.

China owns $1.06 Trillion of U.S. Treasury debt. U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $615.2 billion in 2020. Exports were $164.9 billion; imports were $450.4 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $285.5 billion in 2020.

https://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/mfh.txt
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/china-mongolia-taiwan/peo…

If the U.S. stopped paying interest on U.S. Treasury debt (as suggested by a boneheaded former politician) the U.S. debt would lose its AAA rating and trust all over the world. Currently, foreign buyers hold $7.66 Trillion of U.S. Treasury debt which would immediately lose value along with $20.9 trillion held by domestic owners. Interest rates on future debt would immediately rise, eating a larger fraction of the federal budget. All other interest rates, including mortgages, consumer and commercial debt, etc. would also rise in tandem.

The prices of consumer goods would skyrocket if trade from China was cut off. It would cause a recession reminiscent of the Embargo Act of 1807 imposed by President Thomas Jefferson, a classic case of cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embargo_Act_of_1807

I am against the invasion of Ukraine by Russia as much as the next person, but the U.S. must be careful to act in a reasoned way. We must not cause World War 3. We must not take actions that would seriously damage the U.S. Macro economy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/opinion/ukraine-russia-wa…

**Realism Must Guide Our Reaction to Russia’s Invasion**
**By Tanner Greer, The New York Times, March 18, 2022**

**...**
**This is not a simple problem. Our desire to punish Mr. Putin for the evil he has unleashed in Ukraine must be carefully balanced against the lives that will be lost the longer this war lasts, the real risks of military escalation, the long-term security needs of Europe and the second-order effects a new iron curtain might have on other parts of American foreign policy — such as U.S. security commitments in East Asia and the health of the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. To meet this challenge, we must keep our policy firmly rooted in the “logic of consequence.” Americans living generations from now will be grateful that in this moment of crisis, our policy was guided by careful calculation instead of emotional reaction.** [end quote]

As investors, we are like seagulls flying along a cliff face in a hurricane. The Macroeconomic and investing consequences of decisions taken in the next few weeks could be extreme.

Wendy

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We must not cause World War 3. We must not take actions that would seriously damage the U.S. Macro economy.

If WWIII happens it won’t be ‘we’ who caused it; it solely rests on Putin.

And your second statement would indicate Putin has already won; we won’t sacrifice a little comfort! This only insures it will happen again and then again.

JimA

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If the U.S. stopped paying interest on U.S. Treasury debt (as suggested by a boneheaded former politician) the U.S. debt would lose its AAA rating and trust all over the world.

Would the same happen if it was put in escrow until sanctions are removed? This shows good intent to pay, but a conflict that needs resolution before payment can occur.

IP

<Would the same happen if it was put in escrow until sanctions are removed? This shows good intent to pay, but a conflict that needs resolution before payment can occur.>

I thought about escrow, but I’m not sure it would make much difference. In a normal escrow account, both sides mutually agree and the time limit is well-defined. In an involuntary escrow action, the money is sequestered without agreement and not available to the owner until an unspecified time.

Wendy

If WWIII happens it won’t be ‘we’ who caused it; it solely rests on Putin.

And your second statement would indicate Putin has already won; we won’t sacrifice a little comfort! This only insures it will happen again and then again.

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Exactly my view of the situation. We can not be bullied into placating Putin. He needs to be shown that he does not rule the world or tell us what we can do.

Putin has shown us at every step of the last 22 years that when people said he would not go that far, he always did.
He will not come back for a third term - he did.
He will not annex Crimea - he did.
He will not invade Ukraine - he did.
He will not poison Navalny - he did.
He will not try to subvert an American election - he did.

So why does anybody think Putin will not use chemical weapons, biological weapons or nuclear weapons - he will sooner or later.

What shall we do when Putin uses these horrible weapons on civilians in Ukraine? In my opinion we must take actions to destroy Putin’s capability to use these weapons. The use of these weapons by Putin would seriously damage world peace, safety and economy.

Jaak

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We must not cause World War 3.

If all it takes to make US walk away is to claim our interference will cause WW3 then we might as well close up shop and go home.

A war isn’t over until BOTH sides say it is over or one side is no longer capable of insisting that it isn’t.
– Desert Dave (Quotation, with attribution, permitted and encouraged.)

(Tamil Tigers)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War#End_of_th…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velupillai_Prabhakaran

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While the US has the ability to harm China if it aids Russia, the reciprocal damage will both be swift and devastating. Both the US and China have been dancing to achieve leverage over Taiwan and an irreconcilable challenge to China will likely move the needle irrevocably on other matters besides Ukraine.

Jeff

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