How many will validate parking at a nearby parking garage?
—Peter
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This was discussed much earlier and it turns out that there is large brand differentiation on this issue and some brands have very little.
Eventually, though, they may start to be required. Here in Miami-Dade, new development and many changes to existing parking lots are required to provide that a certain percentage of their parking spaces (typically 20%) are electric vehicle charging “ready” - meaning that the spaces have to be located and wired so that they’re capable of having a charging station installed without having to lay power lines or restripe for space.
No requirement yet to put in actual chargers - that’s expected to be many years down the road, if and when EV’s become a broader part of the existing fleet.
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I don’t know what that map is showing, but there are TONS of chargers in Brooklyn. There’s even a Tesla supercharger near the Brooklyn Museum! It doesn’t stand to reason that there would be only one for millions of people, even if EVs have only a tenth of a percent penetration (and it’s already higher than that)!
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There was a time, but now that only happens at pretty expensive, high margin places like department stores or maybe lawyers’ offices. I don’t see that much at the corner quickstore, bookstore, or ice cream shop. Of course the whole character of commerce in downtown areas has changed too, with much of it heading out to the suburbs and strip malls and enclosed malls, so there’s that.
This.
In some places, at least in certain periods, it takes approximately 20 EV chargers to replace one gas pump. But, typically, there isn’t room for that many chargers in the vicinity of where the pumps are, without seriously disrupting other things.
(I happen to currently be in Quartzsite AZ. It’s the first sometimes-big town out of California on I-10, and also has the 2nd through 5th or 6th large gas stations - defining that as those capable of refueling more than 12 vehicles at the same time. Most of them can do 12 or more cars along with 8 or more diesel trucks. Considering that gas here is a buck and a half cheaper a gallon, and diesel a buck cheaper, than in Califunnyfarm, during the part of the year when I’m typically here - mid-October to mid-April - they are usually near capacity and often have waiting lines.)
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And in far more places, most of the time, it takes approximately zero EV chargers to replace all the gas pumps. That’s because people charge at home or work, and electricity is available pretty much everywhere people live, unlike gasoline.
There are so many EV chargers in Quartzsite. Tesla alone has 36. And more in nearby Ehrenberg.
-IGU-
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I’m pretty sure that in many places it is MUCH MUCH more than that. For example, i my subdivision, at least 15 out of 96 houses have installed EV chargers. That’s a rate MUCH MUCH higher than 20:1 considering that a gas pump can handle 1000-5000 cars easily. And that doesn’t include local public chargers (12-16 of them within 10 miles of my subdivision) or superchargers (22-24 within 10 miles of my subdivision), but those numbers are almost negligible compared to the home EV chargers that are going in every month.
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People are still thinking about the gas station model of where EV chargers need to be. That is the wrong way to think about this.
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The model should be where vehicles are parked for an extended period of time–to permit cars to be recharged at rates that are not unreasonable. Long/slow charge is cheaper than fast/high charge.
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Exactly.
Right now, that is in single family homes. I’m fairly sure that higher end apartment complexes are starting to offer charging - probably at an added fee. As demand for charging at apartment complexes increases, the market will drive more chargers for apartment dwellers. The same is happening (and will happen more often) at work places. Disneyland has had chargers in their parking garage for years now. Gotta pay, of course, but they are there.
There’s chargers at the local shopping center with a Walmart. Same for the Costco shopping center. That one has two - a Tesla station and at the other side some chargers for everyone else.
Electric vehicles are here and are here to stay. They don’t work for everyone in every situation yet. But they do work for a lot of people right now. At least the ones who can afford the purchase price.
–Peter
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In other words, everyone has their own charger. But not everyone has their own gas pump. I think this would require FAR MORE chargers than just replacing the pumps at the gas stations, even considering that it can take 20 chargers to replace one gas pump.
That is exactly how some people really need to think about it. Some people go on long drives fairly frequently. Some people don’t have a fixed location for a “home” charger.
Spoken like a true culture warrior who has never used an EV, and so has no idea how it really works for people. As I’ve mentioned before, when I’ve been given the choice of long drives in my Tesla or my ICE, I’ve always chosen the Tesla. It’s much, much better.
-IGU-
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How long are those long drives? And how often do you do them?
–Peter
Longest was about three thousand miles over a couple of weeks. More typical is the one last week that was about 700 miles over a few days.
The Model S is a great car for a ski trip. Plus it has unlimited free supercharging, so zero cost for fuel.
-IGU-
It would be interesting to see what percentage of the 140K chargers are in good working condition.
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It is not a static situation. I sure repairs are made.
It also would never surprise me to see people online put up fake news. Happens. Little guy in a small town buzzing for something to stir the pot.
I’m sure the New York Times likes to stir the pot, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem. One study out of San Franciso found that 25% of the chargers were faulty.
25% Of San Francisco's EV Charging Stations Don't Work - Electric City News.
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…and the duration of this “faultiness” is what?
Forever and ever Mrs Jackson?
Reliability of Open Public Electric Vehicle Direct Current Fast Chargers
Rempel et al.
This study evaluated the functionality of the charging system for 657 EVSE (electric vehicle service equipment) CCS connectors (combined charging system) on all 181 open, public DCFC (direct current fast chargers) charging stations in the Greater Bay Area…Overall, 72.5% of the 657 EVSEs were functional…A random evaluation of 10% of the EVSEs, approximately 8 days after the first evaluation, demonstrated no overall change in functionality…However, if the test methodology had required successful charging with just one credit card, the percent of functional EVSEs would have dropped from 72.5 to 49.2%.
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