Sure, but they can’t chase the people out of Gaza unless there’s somewhere for them to be chased into. If the IDF says that Hamas (not the boogeyman - Hamas actually exists) is in Rafah and starts combat activities there, then the Palestinians will have to start moving northward back into the areas that the Israelis have already cleared. It will be terrible - but Egypt is not going to let them cross the border. Kushner’s plan was unserious and fanciful, which is one of the reasons it never went anywhere - Egypt’s not going to open the gates to the Palestinians.
There are only bad outcomes. If Israel ends up pushing the Palestinian civilians into Rafah and then engages in combat in Rafah, the Palestinian population will not be able to escape into Egypt - they’ll have to flee northward back into areas that Israel has concluded active combat, but which have been severely damaged by prior fighting. Egypt isn’t going to take them in.
Remember the reporting during the cease fire? Pals tried to move north, Israel said that Hamas was forcing them north, back to their homes, and the IDF fired on them, to stop their movement.
Egypt will not be given a choice. Remember those old movies of native “beaters” making a lot of noise to herd lions or whatever the game of the moment was, to where the GWH was waiting? Seems the Pals are being herded to the extreme south of Gaza. Keep dropping bombs on their heals, and the Pals will keep moving, until they overrun the fence. The “fact on the ground” will be 2M Pals on the Egyptian side of the border. Whether the Egyptians shoot them down, or accommodate them would be the only choice El-Sisi will have.
I have met Jewish Palestinians. I have met Christian Palestinians. Most Palestinians are Muslim. There are other religions as well.
Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. No one wants them.
Muslim nations at times have oil wealth but most Muslim nations are not wealthy enough to take refugees without repercussions. The Palestinians have a long history of destabilizing wherever they migrate.
The Middle East does not have borders like you think of France and Spain or Germany today. The ME borders are in dispute. The Israeli borders are more solid in some ways. Israel is the main modern state in the area.
The Arabs all just question where the borders should be. Yemen SA, Sudan, Somalia, the three parts of Iraq, the Kurds, and Lebanon, if there is no money the mess is even worse. Syria has a fantasy of controlling it all one day.
Former Israeli PM Bennett was on the BBC tonight. When questioned about the deaths of civilians in Gaza, he stated there were civilians participating in the Oct 7th attack. He said the civilians choose to live with Hamas. He said the civilians support Hamas. Seems to me like he thinks virtually everyone in Gaza is, in the words of a previous USian regime, an “enemy combatant” and, therefore, a legitimate target.
The BEEB also reported that, out of 2.3M inhabitants of Gaza, 1.9M have now been displaced.
The Gaza-Egypt border is only 7.5 miles long. I’m pretty sure Egypt can man those “fences” (actually double rows of walls reaching 20 feet high in places with razor wire) sufficient to keep them from being overrun. They’ve deployed tanks, armored vehicles, and additional military forces to the border over the last two months - they’re quite capable of keeping the Palestinians out.
El-Sisi isn’t going to allow Israel’s Palestinian difficulties to become his own. Israel knows this. Their plans certainly don’t involve assuming that they can get those 2M people into Egypt.
For several decades now there should have been democratic republics on the West Bank and Gaza. The Palestinian leadership just profited instead. There can be no two-state solution at this rate. Because the Palestinians have never had a majority that wants a workable peace between two democratic republics. I’d suggest the Syrian tribesmen leave.
You forgot to include Israel.
Israel has not been a democratic republic - just like South Africa was not a democratic republic. Arabs were and are treated as second class citizens by the Jews. Arab land, homes and businesses are routinely taken away in the occupied West Bank.
The Palestinians never had the economic and political freedom to develop a workable democratic republic because Jews were always pointing rifles at them and telling them that they are free to do what they want.
Israel is a democratic republic. Your make-believe won’t change that.
What does apartheid literally mean?
separating, setting apart
The term “apartheid”, an Afrikaans word, derived from the French term “mettre à part”, literally translated to “separating, setting apart.” Apartheid is a policy that is founded on the idea of separating people based on racial or ethnic criteria.
In Israel, there is no apartheid. On the West Bank, there is no apartheid. It is mostly Israeli rule of everyone there. Yes, there are different neighborhoods but that happens in NI. That does not mean NI is apartheid. You will need to work harder.
Gaza is a separation as the Gazans want it. It is not like the Gazans want Jews living with them.
You are depending on other people to make things up for you.
Funny how are the Israelis responsible for the Palestinians deciding how to govern themselves when there have been no free elections in almost two decades. At any time Hamas can have an election. The PA can hold an election. They are stopping each other. One does not want to lose to the other. That is not an Israeli decision. You are depending on people to make things up for you.
The best thing Hamas can do is surrender and negotiate the terms. Netanyahu would have no choice but a two-state solution. Plus a lot of money to rebuild Gaza, plus possibly carve out land in the southern Israeli desert to add to Gaza. Netanyahu and Israel would be unable to say no if Hamas held completely open free fair elections and offered peace with no hesitations.
Pie in the sky, there is not one Syrian leader among them that would ever do that. Islam indeed.
Free elections inside a prison surrounded by Israeli military not letting in or out without their inspections. That is not freedom to elect a democratic government. The gangs take over in prisons and the Israelis are the prison guards..
I don’t think either of those statements are true. Even apart from the trivial observation that there are lots of people in the U.S. who regularly engage in activism against settlements in the West Bank (Rashida Tlaib is in the U.S., and she cares about it).
I think many people in the U.S. are completely unaware and uninformed of what’s happening in the West Bank (or even that there exists a place called the West Bank). Of those who are more informed, I think it’s likely that a majority would prefer that the West Bank not be occupied - but in the same way that they would prefer that the Palestinian Authority not be riddled with corruption and incompetence, or prefer that Israel not keep electing hard-right coalitions. They might prefer that outcome, but there’s no real mechanism that they (or the U.S.) can cause things to change without implicating a whole host of other consequences that they might not support.