8,805 Number of Palestinians killed in Gaza

21,543

Number of Palestinians injured in Gaza

130

Number of Palestinians killed in West Bank

2,100

Number of Palestinians injured in the West Bank

These numbers do not include all the missing Palestinians who are buried under the collapsed buildings in Gaza.

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You forgot to add, “so says Hamas.”

Then there is this little tidbit:

The Health Ministry doesn’t report how Palestinians were killed, whether from Israeli airstrikes and artillery barrages or other means, like errant Palestinian rocket fire. It describes all casualties as victims of “Israeli aggression.”

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To quote General Sherman, “War is hell.”

DB2

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My OP numbers were from an AP article dated 10/31/2023. Now on 11/2/2023 the death and injury numbers have gotten larger than in my OP as shown below. We do not know of any errant Palestinian rocket fire except the one reported by Israel and denied by Palestinians.

From 11/2/2023 AP article:
At least 9,061 Palestinians have been killed in the war, mostly women and minors, and more than 32,000 people have been wounded, the Gaza Health Ministry said Thursday, without providing a breakdown between civilians and fighters. The death toll is without precedent in decades of Israeli-Palestinian violence, and is around four times the figure from the 2014 Gaza war, which lasted over six weeks.

Four Palestinians, including three teenagers, were shot dead in different parts of the occupied West Bank early Thursday, the Palestinian Health Ministry said. More than 130 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank since the start of the war, mainly in violent protests and gunbattles during Israeli arrest raids.

Residents of Gaza face an increasingly dire situation amid a territory-wide blackout. The World Health Organization said the lack of fuel for hospitals’ generators puts at risk 1,000 patients on kidney dialysis, 130 premature babies in incubators, as well as cancer patients and patients on ventilators.

Is Hamas. Clink your own link in that article - ironically, it is the exact same article I used for my quote - so thank you for reconfirming my response!

Again, this is YOUR LINK:

Yet the Gaza-based Ministry of Health — an agency in the Hamas-controlled government — continues to tally casualty numbers.

The Health Ministry doesn’t report how Palestinians were killed, whether from Israeli airstrikes and artillery barrages or other means, like errant Palestinian rocket fire. It describes all casualties as victims of “Israeli aggression.”

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If you have any better information on the number of Palestinians killed and injured, then please provide them. In the meantime, the numbers I am reporting are the best we have. And these numbers do not account for all the people missing and buried under the collapsed apartment buildings. I do not know why you are questioning these numbers. They are low by any reasonable observation of the destruction from aerial/ground photos/videos from many sources. These numbers are going to continue to increase for weeks and months - civilians dying from injuries, lack of medicine, lack of food/water, and shelter.

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Again, from your link:

But an outlier is the ministry’s death toll from an explosion at al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City last week.

There were conflicting accusations of who was responsible, with Hamas officials blaming an Israeli airstrike and Israel saying it was caused by a an errant rocket launched by Palestinian militants. U.S. and French intelligence services also concluded it was likely caused by a misfired rocket. An AP analysis of video, photos and satellite imagery, as well as consultation with experts, showed the cause was likely a rocket launched from Palestinian territory that misfired and crashed. However, a definitive conclusion couldn’t be reached.

There have also been conflicting accounts of the explosion’s death toll. Within an hour, Gaza’s ministry reported 500 Palestinians killed, then lowered that to 471 the next day. Israel says the ministry inflated the toll. American intelligence agencies estimate 100 to 300 people killed, but haven’t said how they arrived at the numbers.

The confusion has called into question the ministry’s credibility in the Hamas-ruled territory.

And then of course there is the fact that all dead, even those killed by Hamas, are blamed on Israel.

When the Ministry of Health assigns those 500 killed (make that 471 killed) to Hamas, then I would be much more inclined to accept their numbers at face value.

Hawkwin
Reminding you that your own link states that the hospital explosion was likely a rocket fired by Hamas or other like-minded terrorists.

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Yes. When combatants intersperse their forces, munitions, and support supplies amongst a civilian population, and conduct attack operations from within that civilian population, it almost guarantees that combat will result in enormous civilian casualties.

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Amanpour interviewed an Israeli official a few days ago. She asked him about the body count reported by the Hamas/Gaza health ministry. He responded that he didn’t believe anything Hamas said.

She replied that, over the last several wars, the UN had found that the body counts reported by Hamas were pretty accurate. The Israeli official replied he didn’t believe the UN either.

The sort that is a loyal Fox Noise viewer: only believe what he wants to believe, and dismisses everything else as “fake news”.

Steve

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If the numbers are another lie then no information is better.

Seriously there are thousands of dead. The first camp blast according to the Israelis was much lower than what was reported. The building then had a second collapse into the tunnels underneath. The number of innocent lives lost was also far lower than the Palestinians reported. There were 50 important Hamas targets in the building. I do not have specifics in memory for who else was killed. It was under 150 people in total.

But if you have information that hundreds of people died in every event then of course we have no information to rely on.

Why is it the Israelis are more honest?

The majority of nations in the UN are Muslim dictatorships. None of those nations are honest with their own people. Why would they put out information through the UN that was honest? Do you think dictators suddenly report to the West honestly? There is no accountability at all.

The security counsel has no veto power over the general assembly misrepresenting the facts. The US can not vote down reports with falsehoods.

This is democratic republics versus any dictatorships including Russia. Russia has a major interest in the Greater Syria power struggles.

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How is that search for Iraqi WMDs coming?

Point being, repressive dictatorships, Muslim or otherwise, don’t have a monopoly on lying to their own populations.

Steve

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Point well taken up to a point. You know when you are being lied to and can say so. That is where your point drops out of contention.

Were your around when I rolled out “Rant #1” It was so obvious that the US wanted to invade Iraq. The US was ignoring the documentation Iraq provided that it had gotten rid of everything. The US was ignoring that the UN inspectors were reporting they weren’t finding diddly. The US was demanding Iraq prove a negative.

Meanwhile, talking heads were on bubblevision talking up how great invading Iraq would be. They were saying “the US oil companies will go in there, develop the Iraqi reserves, flood the markets, and oil will be $10/barrel.”

All that spawned what was later named “Rant 1”: the US wanted to invade Iraq to disrupt Iraqi oil production, tightening supplies, and driving the price up.

But what proles like you and me say doesn’t matter. TPTB wanted the war. Fox Noise viewers drank the Kool-aid, and that was enough.

Steve

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Yes. And I gave it a like. I saw Gore “losing to Bush” as an epochal moment for the Republic, and unfortunately it seems I was correct.

Could you please do a post listing them all? I would like to make reference to them.

d fb

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Mish was complaining about rant proliferation around 2004, so I consolidated them into general themes. Rant 37 was about the concentration of wealth in the hands of the wealthiest, at the expense of everyone else. The others were 38 through 40. They were not discussed as often as 37, because those themes were not evident as often in current events as 37. One of them dealt with theocracy, one with police state tactics, and one with US government sponsored terrorism. At that time, the terrorism one did not have much backing, that was readily apparent. Things have changed however. A few years ago, I started asking “when do they issue the brown shirts?”

Unfortunately, I never kept a hard copy of the “General Rants”. They only existed on the Mish board, or Political Quagmire.

Steve

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That is funny with the world watching Israelis lie about every aspect of the bombing and massacre of Palestinian .civilians.

Wrong! Only 25% of the nations in the UN are Muslim majority. Where do you dig up the wrong facts about the UN?

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Article 54(1) of Additional Protocol I to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, (https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/States.xsp?xp_viewStates=XPages_NORMStatesParties&xp_treatySelected=470), provides, “Starvation of civilians as a method of warfare is prohibited.” That seemingly simple rule finds support elsewhere including likely status as a customary prohibition applicable to all States and in a more recent expression of war crimes law. States included the civilian starvation prohibition in the war crimes jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court.

On a side note, Iran has just been appointed head of the UN Human Rights Council.

DB2

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