OT - Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago

A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the attack in detail. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.

Israeli officials obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.

The approximately 40-page document, which the Israeli authorities code-named “Jericho Wall,” outlined, point by point, exactly the kind of devastating invasion that led to the deaths of about 1,200 people.

The translated document, which was reviewed by The New York Times, did not set a date for the attack, but described a methodical assault designed to overwhelm the fortifications around the Gaza Strip, take over Israeli cities and storm key military bases, including a division headquarters.

Hamas followed the blueprint with shocking precision. The document called for a barrage of rockets at the outset of the attack, drones to knock out the security cameras and automated machine guns along the border, and gunmen to pour into Israel en masse in paragliders, on motorcycles and on foot — all of which happened on Oct. 7.

The plan also included details about the location and size of Israeli military forces, communication hubs and other sensitive information, raising questions about how Hamas gathered its intelligence and whether there were leaks inside the Israeli security establishment.

The document circulated widely among Israeli military and intelligence leaders, but experts determined that an attack of that scale and ambition was beyond Hamas’s capabilities, according to documents and officials. It is unclear whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu or other top political leaders saw the document, as well.

Believe this and still do not blame Israel.

But is Israel making the most of this? Yes.
Would Israel turn a blind eye to make the most of this? No.

Both sides are claiming that the other is evil. It makes for propaganda.

Both sides are fighting for the same land.

The battle is a proxy for the US versus Russia.


Shows why Mossad has a big black eye from this security failure.

And now IDF re-starts the bombing of the South and pushing the Palestinians into worse and worse conditions. Children and women in Gaza will be dying of malnutrition, disease, lack of housing, lack of sanitation and IDF bombs, rockets, artillery fire and gunfire.

Israel’s military strategy threatens to make a desperate situation utterly dire | Israel-Hamas war | The Guardian

Israel’s military remains determined to target Khan Younis because it believes Hamas’s leadership, led by Yahya Sinwar, is based in tunnels underneath the city. “The aim of the phase we are currently in is the destruction of the military capability of Hamas,” said Tamir Hayman, a former IDF major general, who has returned to provide advice to former colleagues. At some point, after a certain level of bombing, a ground operation is anticipated.

However, the new military approach threatens to turn an already desperate humanitarian situation in the crowded south into an utterly dire one. An estimated 2 million people now live in the south, half of whom were evacuated from the north. Jason Lee, Palestine country director for Save the Children, said he visited a shelter in Khan Younis two days ago: “It was designed for 1,000 people, but has 35,000 in it. There are 600 people for every toilet.”

Israeli defence sources say they expect a southern campaign to take longer than the north, running into January or longer, although timescales in war can be hard to predict. But while it may proceed gradually, and avoid a certain number of civilian casualties if the evacuations go ahead as planned, it will inevitably leave more and more people pushed south around Rafah. “Where can people move to?” asked Lee. “Will they end up pushed next to the Mediterranean, and in the sea?”

It raises the grim prospect of fighting running through December, perhaps punctuated by pauses to allow more hostage releases, and risks increasing tensions between Israel and the international community, in particular with the US. Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, said on Thursday that Israel must “minimise further casualties of innocent Palestinians” in future military operations and “avoid further significant displacement of civilians inside of Gaza”.

But it is hard to see how both goals can be achieved, even on Israel’s revised area-by-area strategy, given Israel’s overarching objective to eliminate Hamas as a military and political force in the Gaza Strip. And for all the emphasis on civilian evacuations, Israel said it struck 200 targets on Friday, including in Khan Younis and Rafah. In practice, its new military strategy does not yet look much different.

We do not have the estimated number of Hamas militants dead in this conflict.

Purposely missing numbers.

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They have been bombing Khan Younis for weeks, even though it is south of Wadi Gaza, which was supposed to be safe for evacuees from Gaza City. Now, the Pals are told to move out of Khan Younis and go to Rafah. but they are bombing Rafah too. Are the Pals going to end up being extruded through the fence, into Egypt? Is that the plan, then lock the door behind them?



The border between Egypt and Gaza is barely 7 miles long. I’m sure Egypt already has mega forces there to keep it sealed. They don’t want those refugees (and Hamas infiltrates) any more than any other country does.


Proving, once again, that Netanyahu and his radical cronies have provided the most incompetent leadership in Israel’s short history. By far.

I have an idea!

Let’s put Netanyahu and his ilk in charge of the response to the evil, inhumane, and barbaric Hamas assault on Israeli citizens.

What could possibly go wrong?


Nothing new. Saw similar problem elsewhere and reported it to military command for the area (detailed description of: who, when, how, origin area, likely target area). Ignored. Six months later, attack from that identified area to the target spot in Israel–carried out as described (method/mode of transport, why used, etc). Happened once, no action. Second time, Israel shut down that path with a lot of military presence on guard all the time. No problems since then (1975 or so) to present.

That would be quite a headline “Egyptian troops gun down civilians fleeing from Israeli bombing”.


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Where else would they be? In Qatar?

A combined ground and air campaign will amplify the message that Netanyahu sent to Hamas – the time for talking is over. This is the war Hamas has not only wanted but repeatedly started over the last 17 years, and Israel intends to finish it. Hamas can either fight to the death, or capitulate to Israel and surrender its leadership.



You claim to be an expert on the Israeli massacre of Palestinians, and you do not recognize that over 20,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli bombing and the lack of medicine/food/water/shelter/sanitation/electricity. While at the same time you claim thousands of Hamas fighters have been killed. How do you square those two opposite views? Why on earth do you think Hamas would tell the Israelis how many of their fighters have been killed?

How do the Egyptians stop 2 million people breaking through the border? Impossible without killing more people than the Israelis have and will be doing.

There is more going on than the destruction of Hamas. As the world can see the Israelis are purposefully attacking civilians by their mass bombing of civilians which have also killed Israeli hostages. Israel is just pounding away without and plans. US and the world are aghast at the illegal bombing and depravation being caused by the Israelis.

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I think the Israelis have their own counts. It is not like the IDF is not targeting Hamas.

Hamas is running a propaganda game for sympathy.

The Palestinians have my sympathy. Hamas wants to hide behind that.

If IDF has their own counts, why do they not release them? They only like to lie about the Palestinian counts. IDF should release their honest counts.


You need to ask them. No point in asking me.

I sees what I sees.

The IDF has been releasing their counts. But without the number of Hamas dead.

Well, obviously, they build a wall.

Ha ha ha! I make a joke.


Actually, a wall on the Egypt Gaza border would work – it is only a matter of a few miles and Egyptian Army forces are abundant and cheap. A willingness to go full Berlin Wall using machine guns and you have a Bingo.

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(The Mexican border is as different as possible on the face of the Earth…)


Not likely. Egypt isn’t going to the Palestinian civilians in. They want to keep Hamas at bay as much as Israel does, which is why they also sealed off Gaza from ordinary commerce (Israel wasn’t the only nation with a blockade of Gaza). And Egypt has no real interest in helping Israel solve the intractable military/diplomatic problem of trying to eliminate Hamas without enraging the international community. So Egypt will likely keep the Rafah crossing sealed (except for perhaps a very limited number of crossings), trapping the Pals in southern Gaza.

As long as Hamas keeps fighting from within a densely populated urban area, Israel can’t defeat them without heavy civilian casualties. Hamas isn’t going to surrender or stop fighting…and I don’t think Israel will either. Which will cause heavy civilian casualties.


Egypt knows two things, Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas is a force for Greater Syria, a Russian-controlled mess.

Cici is in the same boat the Israelis are in but does not have to use his own army.

Someone here has said, "Who are the Jews to…blah blah blah…?

The response is god would never send the Muslim Brotherhood and Greater Syria can go pound Russian Baltic sands.

The innocent Palestinians could have had this resolved years ago.

This war will do more to resolve things.

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