OT: The Truth About Winston Churchill - Andrew Roberts

A very interesting review of Winston Churchill’s involvement in WWII which also cleared up some misconceptions I had about the war.

The bad news, it’s almost two hours long which I though were very well spent. Your attention span might vary.

Andrew Roberts is an English historian, journalist and member of the House of Lords. He is the Roger and Martha Mertz Visiting Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a Lehrman Institute Distinguished Lecturer at the New-York Historical Society. He is a New York Times bestselling author, having written dozens of books including biographies of Napoleon Bonaparte (2014) and Winston Churchill (2018)

The Captain

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Let me guess. He wasn’t perfect. He did things, that in hindsight might have been ill-advised? He didn’t do some things he should have because he was, shall we say "a man of his times. " Was partially responsible for WWII or actually caused WWII? (I’ve seen this trending up in recent months. Don’t tell me there’s no such thing as conspiracies)

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Being a Holocaust surviver I have pondered over the years how the most highly civilized nation on earth could fall to such depths of depredation. Simple adjectives like good and evil cannot explain it. The most telling proverb is, “The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions.” To answer your question…

We need to study the ideologies developed by various tribes at various times. These ideologies, know by many names like cults, religions, faiths, morals, and politics, are the shields that allow for most of human savagery.

We also need to beware epithets. How is it possible that Socialists can be called “Extreme Right?” The German National Socialists are called extreme right by a group that is to their left, the Communists. They were mortal enemies. In fact the world is divided between Nationalists and Internationalists. The world is also divided by faith which allow Crusades and Jihads, depending on your tribe. Faiths also divide and multiply.

Non of the above is meant to justify anyone or anything. It is meant to ask people to think through their snap judgements of what is good or evil.

Why would a Holocaust surviver seek a German passport? How did Japan and Germany make peace with the West?

The Captain

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Very simple. There was a complete change with an attitude against dictators.

We keep discussing the American slide into dictatorship. You are the no show.

The thing that buys you off is the offer of a tax cut. You do not even live here. It is an ideological failure that has produced most of the US debt.

We are not crying wolf but if we were the wolf in the fable finally does show up.

Our opposition is lost in antisemitism. That will be commandeered later.

BTW the opposition no long pays any attention to racism, misogyny, or homophobia. Antisemitism first is their policy. They demand being listened to. Conservative Arabs who would kill them fill their SM feeds with propaganda day and night. People asking for donations are ripping them off.

Please label off-topic posts like this “OT.”

Wendy

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The Captain

Why make it personal? This thread is about Churchill.

The Captain

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I didn’t, he made it. There are times, when you need to call out. An ignorant person, without proper reading of history, Yes I understand West whitewashes their atrocities, still, and with bias justifying killing directly 3 million people by choice should deserve the contempt.

Denny,

It is personal. Churchill is lauded but the full story of the man is hell for a lot of people.

Speaking of honesty, the public is beginning to realize the minority that are Islamists are dishonest murders.