Statistical test have shown them to be unreal. Kind of like Bernie Madoff’s numbers.
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Blame Hamas. Only blame Hamas. Blame them again.
Hamas could have negotiated something with Israel since 2007.
Add to that Hamas should have had free elections. There should have been legal rights including freedom of religion.
If you have a problem with what is happening hold Hamas responsible.
Hamas can surrender today. This would wind down quickly if they did surrender.
Hamas is directly related to the Muslim Brotherhood. Do you want these uprisings by the Brotherhood in four or five other countries?
When it is Muslim against Muslim most of us put it on ignore. It is far bloodier. No one says their Ramadan was ruined.
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You have said a few times almost no militants have died. Hamas does not report the number of dead militants. How is that possible? Why are they reliable numbers?
Listen to Bob.
Not for a very long time, if ever. Consider the Partition of India and Pakistan. That was four generations ago, and relations between the two nations are still pretty frosty almost a century later.
But as has been pointed out repeatedly, there is literally no way to avoid massive civilian casualties when an enemy belligerent has embedded themselves entirely within a densely populated urban area. Spending years and years and untold resources to make it as difficult as possible to root them out. Many of the consequences of the current conflict are attributable to the decisions of Hamas - both before and after the attacks. If one day - in the very far future - the then-residents of Gaza come to view Hamas negatively and with horror, then we might get to the point where Gaza-Israeli relationships are merely very bad, rather than where we are now.
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Most people unlike you perhaps do not want to hold resentments.
Just being the Jewish state does not mean the Arabs have much of a problem with Israel. The Arab leadership uses scapegoats to lead. That is different. It is about the failures of Arab governance.
This is not like there is one innocent party on one side and the other guy is the only guilty party.
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Um, this is a weird opinion, not based on reality. The history is long and complicated. One example - The events in 1948 still shape Palestinian’s continued struggle for justice and a return to their ancestral homes. I’ll give you a hint - it rhymes with Al Schmakba…there are many more examples of experienced trauma on both sides that contribute to long lasting resentment.
I’m not suggesting violence is acceptable, it’s not. However, violent groups have taken advantage of the societal traumas. That’s why settlers are settling, that’s why terrorists are terrorizing. It’s not going away anytime soon.
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The people who are not violent nor of truly any bad intent on both sides well outnumber those who are.
There are divides in the claims. No kidding. That does not mean the majority of Arabs hold any resentment.
People go on with their lives.
Garbage tests! Not backed up by any credible source.
Hamas’s numbers were the source.
How many militants have been killed according to Hamas? Why are those numbers completely missing?
What a silly question. Why would any army or terrorist group want to give out such vital information. That is a battle secret that is always kept secret.
I guess the IDF is the one with the problem then. The IDF gives a full of accounting of their losses.
Meanwhile, you have no clue what is in Hamas’s report because you are silly.
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IDF gives full accounting losses because they are not running out of soldiers.
I am not silly - I told you why Hamas does not report their losses.
The Hamas Health Ministry reports the number dead and you are standing by those numbers?
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12,000 Hamas combatants
The IDF estimated 12,000 Hamas combatants were killed as of 19 February 2024.
Do you think if you call the IDF liars that really solves any problems? That is not how it works. It won’t “sway” the war.
So you do not think the IDF is lying.
Do you see your inconsistencies?
How many Muslim Brotherhood wars should be spawned from this war in Gaza?
Interrupting the argument over casualty figures for a moment (it does have its own thread), this does seem the place to note Chuck Schumer’s sharp criticism of the Netanyahu administration and their prosecution of the war.
The criticism alone was striking, given both Schumer’s personal politics and the general approach of pressuring the Israeli government more in private than in public that U.S. officials have been taking. But I was surprised more by his calls for elections and a new government in Israel.
Presumably, Schumer thinks that would matter - but I would be very curious to see what leads him to that opinion. Netanyahu is personally rather unpopular - after all 10/7 happened on his watch. But his policies towards Gaza are generally in line with Israeli opinion. Moreover, Israeli support in general for a two state solution - which wasn’t all that high before - collapsed entirely after the 10/7 attacks. Netanyahu might personally lose an election, but it’s extremely unlikely that any successor government would pursue any different approach to the conflict.
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IDF gives an estimate. What is the accuracy of the IDF estimate?
Does IDF give names of all the Hamas combatants?
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How do IDF Hamas body counts compare to MACV counts of VC?
Steve
We do not know the private talks and US push for getting Netanyahu out of way and getting a more moderate Israeli government installed.
The US administration is shadow boxing for marginal voters. And those voters know it.
There are two larger regional issues. Should this war with the Brotherhood expand to other nations? Should this proxy war with Russia expand?
Schumer wasn’t calling for a new government to be “installed.” He was calling for elections. The former might be the subject of negotiations - since Israel has a parliamentary system, you can replace the PM without changing the composition of the governing coalition of parties in the legislature. But Schumer called for new elections, the outcomes of which can’t be negotiated.
I can’t imagine he thinks there would be gains for parties that are currently in opposition that might be more supportive of a two-state solution, like Yesh Atid (or maybe even Labor, though that’s even more ridiculous). Presumably he’s counting on National Unity (and Benny Gantz) to take the wheel - but that’s not going to change the prosecution of the conflict in Gaza. Coming on the heels of Gantz’ visit to DC…boy, I’m not sure if Schumer hasn’t handed Likud a lifeline, rather than helped anything.
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