Lest this thread devolve into politics…
…oh, nevermind.
Pete
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I’m pretty sure that non-citizen voting is not a huge occurrence. However, all these efforts to trim the voter rolls are going to hurt people with atypical names that are frequently misspelled and are going to hurt women, who frequently have four names that won’t fit in three-name databases. I’m also pretty sure that is the point of the whole exercise.
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“severe weather” doesn’t happen in metro Detroit very often, but you wouldn’t know it to hear the media carry on.
To paraphrase a band from my youth, “we built this country on hype and hysteria”.
Steve
It wasn’t political from the start?
There has been a suggestion that they spend their money on publicizing the evils of Project 2025 since that will benefit any Dem candidate.
20% care red and blue
80% don’t care about poli or econ. They want zero discussion and hate reading the news on these topics
They only care that right now we have price stability
Take that issue from TFG all he is doing is insulting people.
Of the 80% 65% vote
This talk tonight expect a decision. He’s bowing out.
OFW it is 10:30 pm and no such luck.
Over the last two evenings, I have heard the “replacement theory” voiced several times: “they want to flood the country with illegals, and have them vote”.
Steve
Yes, so we know that there are people that believe such silly ideas and we have some understanding of why they might believe them. Now what? Is there a reason to cater to such foolishness when there are other very real concerns with respect to other people, real citizens, who may be hindered in their attempt to vote if we do the things the replacement theory crowd are demanding … even though their demands will have almost no meaningful positive impact?
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I don’t think Steve is catering to these ideas so much as pointing them out as having a national platform that many people take in and accept now, or that reinforce them for those already inclined toward such “silly ideas.”
Pete
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And, more importantly, encouraging people here to get their papers in order, lest they find their vote denied, their property seized, and deported.
Steve
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From the Commonwealth of Virginia:
The streamlined process for eliminating deceased voters includes accessing a national death record database and conducting a comprehensive audit. This resulted in us removing 79,867 deceased voters in 2023…
All data collected by the DMV that identifies non-citizens is shared with ELECT, which uses it to scrub existing voter rolls and remove non-citizens who may have purposefully or accidentally registered to vote. According to data from ELECT, between January 2023 and July 2024, records indicate we removed 6.303 non-citizens from the voter rolls.
DB2
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That’s really cool and efficient. Now, if only there was a national database states could access with interstate data to make this process even more efficient!
Oh, wait…
Eight Republican-controlled states so far have cut ties with the multistate consortium, which helps to ensure accurate voter rolls, citing concerns over privacy and transparency.
Worth noting, Virginia quit ERIC last year.
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Meanwhile, in Georgia, you can cancel anyone’s voter registration, if you can get your hands on a bit of their personal information. The state insists that information is secure, except…oops.
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Who benefits from voter identification laws?
Harden and Campos
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2217323120
Abstract:
In the first two decades of the twenty-first century, many American state governments implemented voter identification (ID) laws for elections held in their states. These laws, which commonly mandate photo ID and/or require significant effort by voters lacking ID, sparked an ongoing national debate over the tension between election security and access in a democratic society. The laws’ proponents—primarily politicians in the Republican Party—claim that they prevent voter fraud, while Democratic opponents denounce the disproportionate burden they place on historically disadvantaged groups such as the poor and people of color. While these positions may reflect sincerely held beliefs, they also align with the political parties’ rational electoral strategies because the groups most likely to be disenfranchised by the laws tend to support Democratic candidates. Are these partisan views on the impact of voter ID correct? Existing research focuses on how voter ID laws affect voter turnout and fraud. But the extent to which they produce observable electoral benefits for Republican candidates and/or penalize Democrats remains an open question.
We examine how voter ID impacts the parties’ electoral fortunes in races at the state level (state legislatures and governorships) and federal level (United States Congress and president) during 2003 to 2020. Our results suggest negligible average effects but with some heterogeneity over time. The first laws implemented produced a Democratic advantage, which weakened to near zero after 2012. We conclude that voter ID requirements motivate and mobilize supporters of both parties, ultimately mitigating their anticipated effects on election results.
DB2
There wasn’t any question about the skewed impact of voting “qualifications” 60 years ago.
Other general provisions specifically outlaw literacy tests and similar devices that were historically used to disenfranchise racial minorities.
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The court turned down a request, however, to reinstate the portion of the same law that would bar voters who register using a standard federal form from voting for president or by mail unless they provide proof of citizenship.
DB2
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For those who missed the news, a group has filed suit citing a pre-Civil War SCOTUS decision as support for the notion that a person is only a US citizen by birth, if both the parents were US citizens at the time of birth.
Steve…still waiting on the index search report from the Immigration Department.
Link? While this does not surprise me the xenophobia from one side of the aisle has become insane. They have lost it.
Link?
I didn’t want to post a link, because the argument is made to try to disqualify a candidate for electoral office, who happened to have immigrant parents.
But, since you forced the issue…
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