Sanctions/Oil/Money

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-india-violating-the-eu-o…

Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on February 24, Indian refiners have increased their imports of crude oil from Russia. According to the Finland-based Center for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA), imports have risen steeply since the Russian invasion began. According to the report, India’s share of Russian crude oil exports rose from 1% to 18% by May.

India gets that oil at a 20% discount from world pricing*.

As with Iranian oil in the past, once Russian crude is refined, it will become almost impossible to distinguish between those barrels and others as they re-enter the international market," Rystad Energy writes.

North America also increased imports of petroleum products from India. In April 2022, imports totaled $435 million, up from $220 million in April 2021.

*https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/28/russia-india-india-buys-chea…

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India gets that oil at a 20% discount from world pricing*.

A couple of weeks from now we will dictate a much greater discount for Russian oil.

Bit like squeezing putin’s head in a vise. The world will enjoy it.

I think OPEC would be wise to pump more because once the G7 is a cartel things can be changed for OPEC as well.

Yes I am very uncaring.

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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/bidens-war-…
sanctions were going to win the battle, forcing Russia to withdraw at the risk of her economy’s collapse, perhaps along with Putin’s own regime. The problem is that not only has that not happened, but sanctions have actually aided Russia. Though Russia’s energy exports fell by volume in reaction to American sanctions, surging prices driven by supply shortages have more than canceled out the sanctions’ effects. Russia’s export prices have been on average around 60 percent higher than last year, driven by simple supply and demand. The E.U. reduced its direct imports of Russian crude oil by 18 percent, but thanks to Russian re-exporters India and the United Arab Emirates, that has led to no net change in Russia’s overall oil-export volumes.

China, too, has helped make up for the E.U. shortfall, albeit more for domestic use and not to re-export into the global market, as the largest single buyer of Russian energy. Japan holds that title for unsanctioned Russian coal exports. Even the U.S. has helped out, buying unsanctioned, highly refined oil products from the Netherlands and India that were at least in part made from Russia crude.

From the article:

sanctions were going to win the battle, forcing Russia to withdraw at the risk of her economy’s collapse, perhaps along with Putin’s own regime.

Said literally no one, ever. I wonder how much the FSB paid the American Conservative to run that article? I hope they took payment in dollars and not rubles.

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sanctions were going to win the battle, forcing Russia to withdraw at the risk of her economy’s collapse, perhaps along with Putin’s own regime.

Said literally no one, ever.

From March of this year:
www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-says-russian-sanctions-could-be-…
British foreign minister Liz Truss says sanctions imposed on Russian individuals and companies could be lifted if Russia withdraws from Ukraine and commits to end aggression, the Telegraph newspaper reported on Saturday. Britain and other Western nations are using economic sanctions to cripple the Russian economy and punish President Vladimir Putin for invading Ukraine, seeking to press him to abandon what he calls a special military operation to demilitarise and “denazify” Ukraine.

From June:
www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/11/sanctions-are-hitti…
Sanctions have not halted the military assault, but some are now asking whether a promise to lift them could bring Russia to the negotiating table: a return to global markets, in exchange for peace in Ukraine.

DB2

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DrBob2, surely you realize there is vast difference between claiming “sanctions were going to win the battle” and “seeking to press (Putin)” to withdraw.

The articles you linked to correctly describes diplomats using sanctions as a tool. No one said that sanctions were going to win the battle. That’s simply a pro-Putin talking point.

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I believe what is important is the fact that oil sanctions are not working. And North America has doubled importation of refined oil from India refineries that has some if not entirely of Russian oil as it is virtually impossible to distinguish between barrels of refined Russian oil & refined oil from other sources. The sanctions however are very successful in driving up the price of oil so that Russia along with other oil producers have benefited. Thus little impact upon the Russia economy as “Russia’s export prices have been on average around 60 percent higher than last year.”

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I believe what is important is the fact that oil sanctions are not working.

tj,

It depends on what you mean by working? It depends on how immediate a time line you give them?

Lets look at it this way. The US and EU oil sanctions have forced Russia to take a 20% discount on their oil from China and India.

Now with Russia in that position the G7 are go to tell India and China they can pay less again for Russian oil.

Are there western sanctions on the Russian oil? Not exactly. The oil is flowing. We do business with the powers that buy it.

Should there be sanctions on the oil? No. No need.

Is there a possibility of Russia cutting off the oil and looking like “instant” Venezuela on a stick? Hardly.

Now that Russia is discounting Iran is discounting. OPEC is next.

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Some people here worried or hoping the petro dollar will fall out of favor thinking China will have its way…

China is offering less for oil from Russia and Iran than OPEC’s price.

Not sure how interested SA is currently in getting RMB for oil.

Besides even the blind can see China needs to depeg the RMB from the dollar.

The idea of a petroyuan is mostly for Russia’s…I can not say benefit…screwing?