Shopify - My Take

My take on Shopify’s results

I sold out of Shopify last August solely because of what I saw as an enormous rate of deceleration of growth. The deceleration is only increasing.

In 2017 the rates of revenue growth for the four quarters were 75%, 75%, 72%, 71%… A very normal and measured pace.

Then we came to 2018:

March quarter was 68%. That 68% was down just 3 points sequentially, and down 7 points year over year from 75%. The 7 points divided by 75 points is 9%, so the rate of growth decreased by only 9% yoy. I could live with that. No problem.

June quarter was 62%. That 62% was down 6 points sequentially and down 13 points year over year from 75%. The 13 points divided by 75 points is 17% so the rate of growth decreased by 17%. I sold out of my position in shock.

Sept quarter was 58%. That 58% was down 4 points sequentially and down 14 points year over year from 72%. The 14 points divided by 72 points is 19% so the rate of growth decreased by 19%. The rate of decrease continued to accelerate by both points and percent of decrease.

Dec quarter was 54%. That 54% was down 4 points sequentially and down 17 points year over year from 71%. The 17 points divided by 71 points is 24% so the rate of growth decreased by 24%.

Okay, look: The rate of deceleration of growth is greater each quarter, both in raw numbers, the number of points, and in percentage of growth. And they are both coming off a smaller base, which is counter-intuitive and counter to what you would expect.

Thus the number of raw percentage points they dropped each quarter went:
07
13
14
17

And the percent of the prior year’s rate of growth that they dropped went:

09
17
19
24

You may disagree, and tell me that the rate is still above 50% and that they will live off marijuana, but to me those are huge numbers, a rapid fall, and a huge percentage for their rate of growth to fall. It’s just hard for me to ignore that and say that I’ll take a position anyway.

Best,

Saul

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Hi Saul, since there seems to be a lot of SHOP investors and no responses to your post other than the huge number of recs you got for this post, i decided to reply.

I totally understand your argument and it is basically based on revenue growth rates shrinking. And you are right they definitely are shrinking on a percentage basis. But as these growth rates continue and the size of the company increases, is that a surprise? After all this is a company that has over $1 Billion in sales in 2018 and is still growing at over 50%

Another way to look at it…


Year.      Revs     Incr revs 
                 from prior year
2013.         50
2014.        105.      55
2015.        205.     100
2016.        389.     184
2017.        673.     284      
2018        1073.     400

So yes, the percentage revenues were decreasing but the revenue increases each year were still getting bigger every year. Perhaps a limitation of starting from small numbers?

So just for fun, if you compare to Twilio, their most recent quarterly revenues were, TWLO=204, SHOP=344. When shop’s revenues were at 204 for a quarter it was 2017 which was when SHOPs growth rates were as expected. I understand there are big differences between the two and Twilio is clearly exceptional, but the point is how long can percentage growth rates continue to grow as a percentage. But from my eye, the absolute increases in revenue from year to year look like a company that is still growing quite well.

Second point, it seems like one of the big things you didn’t like when you sold last year was that the earnings didn’t look like they were progressing. That in combination with the slowing revenue growth concerned you. But this latest quarter seemed to allay any concerns of earnings growth as the adjusted earnings were 0.26 this quarter vs 0.15 last year. It seems like they are making better progress in this regards now and their potential markets look larger than ever.

So in any event, I own shares in both companies mentioned here and think they both have big potential. I am less challenging you, Saul (I’m not stupid :wink: and more really trying to understand your decision process…

Randy
Long TWLO and SHOP

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Another way to look at it…

Perhaps one way to look at this is valuation.

Shopify’s growth is certainly slowing, and its valuation is now very high based upon historical numbers.


Quarter	MRR	S+	Ratio	GMV	GPV	SCap	AEPS	TTM	YoY Gr	Hi	Lo	Close	WAS	P/S/S	P/EVHi	P/EVLo	P/EV
Mar-15							-0.06						39.3				
Jun-15							-0.03			$42.13	$24.11	$33.95	53.0				
Sep-15							-0.03			$41.11	$22.70	$35.20	75.9				
Dec-15							-0.01	-0.13		$39.29	$24.06	$25.80	78.0	9.8	13.6	8.3	8.9
Mar-16	12.8	1.4	11%	2.7	1.0		-0.06	-0.13	0.0%	$28.78	$18.48	$28.21	80.5	9.4	8.9	5.7	8.7
Jun-16	14.4	1.9	13%	3.3	1.3		-0.04	-0.14	-33.3%	$32.39	$24.96	$30.76	81.3	8.9	8.7	6.7	8.3
Sep-16	16.3	2.4	15%	3.8	1.5	9.2	-0.02	-0.13	33.3%	$45.20	$30.00	$42.92	84.9	11.1	10.4	6.9	9.9
Dec-16	18.5	3.1	17%	5.5	2.2	14.7	0.00	-0.12	100.0%	$45.45	$37.74	$42.87	89.1	9.8	9.4	7.8	8.8
Mar-17	20.7	3.5	17%	4.8	1.8	19.0	-0.04	-0.10	33.3%	$73.00	$42.14	$68.09	90.2	13.8	13.9	8.0	13.0
Jun-17	23.7	4.3	18%	5.8	2.2	37.2	-0.01	-0.07	75.0%	$100.80	$67.22	$86.90	94.3	16.1	16.6	11.1	14.3
Sep-17	26.8	5.3	20%	6.4	2.4	44.1	-0.01	-0.06	50.0%	$123.94	$84.80	$116.49	98.8	19.8	**19.4**	13.3	18.2
Dec-17	29.9	6.3	21%	9.1	3.5	39.7	0.15	0.09	NA	$120.69	$89.35	$101.00	99.5	14.9	16.2	12.0	13.6
Mar-18	32.5	7.0	22%	8.0	3.0	60.4	0.15	0.28	475.0%	$154.82	$101.02	$124.59	102.3	16.8	**18.2**	11.9	14.7
Jun-18	35.3	8.1	23%	9.1	3.6	68.5	0.15	0.44	1600.0%	$175.11	$112.50	$145.89	106.0	18.1	**19.5**	12.6	16.3
Sep-18	37.9	9.2	24%	10.0	4.1	76.4	0.04	0.49	500.0%	$176.60	$130.60	$164.46	106.6	18.4	**18.0**	13.3	16.8
Dec-18	40.9	10.4	25%	14.0	5.8	71.8	0.26	0.60	73.3%	$166.86	$117.64	$138.45	107.7	13.9	14.6	10.3	12.1
Now										$205.00	$205.00	$205.00	110.0	19.0	**17.7	17.7	17.7**

On a TTM basis, the P/EV ratio has been higher than it is today. So, at least from this perspective, the company is not overvalued. However, growth rates are a lot lower than they’ve been and will continue to go down, which makes the valuation, at least comparing to historical figures and future growth even higher.

The primary thing that Shopify has going for it is potentially significant future growth via international expansion. They have a pretty good history on delivering in their core markets. With this experience as well as a much better product offering, they should be able to grow into their new markets even better.

From the earnings call:
On the International front, a key step we took this year was translating the Shopify Platform which is now available in seven languages. This single undertaking in 2018 boosted merchant access to and merchant success on Shopify outside our core geographies of North America, the UK and Australia.

and this:
As such, merchants from outside our core Geos accounted for 24% of our merchant base 2018 up from 21% in 2017. And the contribution from international merchants to total GMV on our platform continued to increase with the GMV more than doubling over 2017 in three out of our four priority countries.

It looks like the platform was so good that having it in English was good enough for a lot of merchants. What will this be like when potential merchants see it in their own language? I’d bet that Shopify Plus use in these non core Geos is sparsely used for now. They mention quite a few company names using it and I don’t see any foreign company names. What will happen when Shopify gets these Geos using Plus like in their core Geos?

Also, what will happen to Subscription Solutions’ growth as this expansion unfolds? Right now, it’s a drag on the growth rate, which hurts the bottom line due to the significantly higher margins than Merchant Solutions. If history is any guide, they should grow their non-core Geos’ Subscriptions Solutions revenue a lot faster than their Merchant Solutions revenue, at least until there is some level of maturity (like in their core Geos).

Here are the existing figures for Subscription Solutions and Merchant Solutions:


Sub	Mar	Jun	Sep	Dec	Tot
2015	22.4	25.5	29.6	34.6	112.0
2016	38.7	43.7	49.8	56.4	188.6
2017	62.1	71.6	82.4	93.9	310.0
2018	100.2	110.7	120.5	133.6	465.0				
					
Grth	Mar	Jun	Sep	Dec	Tot
2015					
2016	73.2%	71.5%	68.6%	62.9%	68.4%
2017	60.4%	63.9%	65.4%	66.6%	64.4%
2018	61.4%	54.6%	46.2%	42.2%	50.0%			

GP%	Mar	Jun	Sep	Dec	Tot
2015	77.5%	78.7%	78.3%	77.9%	78.1%
2016	78.7%	79.2%	78.8%	78.8%	78.9%
2017	80.3%	80.9%	81.2%	78.8%	80.2%
2018	76.9%	77.9%	77.9%	80.0%	78.3%
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Mer	Mar	Jun	Sep	Dec	Tot
2015	15.0	19.5	23.2	35.7	93.3
2016	34.0	43.0	49.7	74.0	200.7
2017	65.3	80.1	89.0	128.9	363.3
2018	114.1	134.2	149.5	210.3	608.2			
					
Grth	Mar	Jun	Sep	Dec	Tot
2015					
2016	126.8%	120.7%	114.2%	107.5%	115.0%
2017	92.0%	86.3%	79.0%	74.2%	81.0%
2018	74.8%	67.7%	68.0%	63.2%	67.4%

GP%	Mar	Jun	Sep	Dec	Jan
2015	28.3%	26.8%	24.1%	27.0%	26.4%
2016	25.9%	27.0%	26.5%	31.5%	28.3%
2017	34.3%	36.1%	37.1%	36.5%	36.2%
2018	41.0%	37.8%	37.3%	37.5%	38.2%
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Note the improvement, albeit small, on the Merchant Solutions margins.

Although growth is slowing, the market seems to be paying a nice premium for international expansion (and its impact on the TAM) and perhaps an expectation that the deceleration of growth will slow. With the introduction of new features like Launchpad, Scripts and Flow, we see optionality at work. This optionality will only increase as international growth expands.

So Shopify is richly valued with slowing growth, which may not slow down too much for the foreseeable future. But there are other companies growing faster than Shopify (Twilio, MongoDB, Square, zscaler and a few others).

For me, I feel like Shopify will be a long term success. While I may be able to get more growth elsewhere, I like having the company as a good part of my portfolio (almost 6.5%). My intention is to hold the shares until the investment thesis breaks. It makes my life easier not having to keep learning a lot about new companies. Saul, on the other hand, is among the best at learning new companies and making important decisions fast. I have a long way to go in order to get there.

DJ

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