As opposed to hunting around on Google in order to find an article that appears to support a belief…and link dumping and highlighting the attractive bits apparently without proper reading?
I think I will.
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This is an example of the point I am trying to make. Woke is about racial injustice. Yet the title of this thread associates woke with fake meat. Then DrBob applies woke to gender terminology. These are all a cynical misapplication of the term woke that ends up trivializing racial issues.
Language matters. Semantics matters. People who care about the mistreatment of racial minorities try to be woke about the prejudice and bias in society. Racists push back by broadening the definition of woke to include political correctness and unpopular stuff like supporting fake meat and changing gender terms. In doing so, they make being woke a bad thing, which includes the awareness of racial injustice.
And we progressives let them get away with it. Progressives need to grow a spine.
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Cynical? If only. The idea is to be miserably MEAN to American citizens.
I don’t know about cynical, but it does confirm that the meaning of the word has shifted/expanded, as has been known to happen in the English language.
DB2
Sure, but my premise is that the shift/expansion for the term “woke” is a right-wing strategy to prevent racial injustice from becoming a significant political issue.
Do you disagree that the change in the meaning of “woke” has come primarily from the Right?
You have used the term “woke” in your posts, most notably associating it with efforts to change the terms of gender identity, which I will point out is not a democrat or progressive issue. Just so we are on the same page on this:
What is your definition of “woke” that justifies associating it with gender terms?
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As I wrote three months ago in the very thread, “Woke isn’t a dog whistle; it is not hidden. It has become a generic term for being too liberal/leftist. For example, the California ban on travel to 17 states could be described by someone as being woke.”
DB2
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So in DrBob-world, to be “woke” something has to pass two criteria. First, it has to be left-wing. Second, it has to be beyond reasonable.
With respect to the first criterium, according to your link the organization proposing changes in gender nomenclature was a scientific one. Why assume it is left-wing? Do you have evidence that it is supported by a majority of progressives? As an aside, it wasn’t too long ago that Asians and those with Down’s syndrome were called “Mongoloids”. In an obvious act of political correctness this nomenclature was changed by scientists. Based on your reasoning to date, I guess you would also consider this woke.
With respect to the second criterium, the Trump administration proposed to redefine male/female from that used by the scientific community. Since the idiot who currently defines the Republican Party considered it reasonable to change the traditional definition of gender for political reasons, why isn’t it similarly reasonable for the other side to do the same?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/24/politics/transgender-protections-hhs-memo-defining-sex/index.html
What is the Neo-Marxist agenda and how does it differ from a Marxist agenda? What would the left wing agenda be if it were not subverted by Neo-Marxists? In other words, what in the world are you trying to say?
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You’re over-thinking this, bt. Just accept it as a generic, ‘slang’ term.
“It’s used as a shorthand for political progressiveness by the left, and as a denigration of leftist culture by the right…”
DB2
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You wouldn’t say this if you cared about racial injustice. Ask a Black-American if it matters to them that woke has been co-opted by folks like you to apply to fake meat and gender terms.
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It’s almost Presidents’ Day.
You make the call. From the University of Wisconsin in Madison…
Following a surge of protests taking down and challenging statues with racist origins around the world, University of Wisconsin students and organizations have demanded the Abraham Lincoln statue on Bascom Hill be removed due to its racist origins.
DB2
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I have a niece who is vegan. She is an ardent animal lover, and seeing meat on the plate floods her brain with pictures of slaughter houses and worse. She is not much interested in “meatless burgers” but will eat them. Mostly she does tofu this and tofu that, along with lots of veggies for salads, etc.
Many people advocate it because it’s less resource intensive than actual meat, good for the planet, supposedly better for your heart, blah blah blah. I don’t eat it because we’re all doomed anyway, and I don’t eat much red meat because chicken is less fattening, cheaper, and blah blah blah.
In Dr Bob world, the presence of the first automatically includes the presence of the second. 
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You missed the point. We are building this nation after 40 years of it being torn down used and abused by supply side econ. No one ever these days says we need supply side econ back. That is the hidden agenda to strip the country more with an unspoken supply side agenda.
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DrBob, I really don’t get this. What is the problem with having discussions over this and letting the Majority decide what is right and what is wrong? Times change, people’s viewpoints change also. Should everyone be made to keep up Statues of Robert E. Lee or David Duke just because they are in the past and some idiot decided to put statues up about them?
Now don’t get me wrong I am not putting President Lincoln into that category, nor do I want to see his statue taken down. But I have no problem discussing it with anyone because I am not a snowflake that is afraid of words. I can say no as easy as yes and if the majority decide that I am wrong I am a good enough sport to chalk it up to lesson learned instead of running around crying that the vote was stolen.
Andy
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That’s basically the level of “wokism gone amok” on the left…idealistic students being enthusiastically young. Compare that with the actions of Kari Lake who still insists the election was stolen from her with little public criticism from republicans. Which example of runaway ideology do you think is the greater danger to democracy?
You suggest I am taking the co-opting of woke too seriously, yet you seem unaware that republicans appear unable to make a speech without condemning woke. Conservatives have weaponized woke to the nth degree. They are making their definition of woke the primary issue of the 2024 campaign and that’s why I believe progressives need to push back hard.
Plus there is a remarkable degree of hypocrisy in the conservative position. What are negative about the “generic slang definition” of woke that you use are the intolerance (cancel culture) and the focus on political correctness. Yet the Right is far more guilty of these than the Left.
Ask Jeff Flake or Liz Cheney about GOP cancelling. Compare that with how democrats are treating Manchin. Ask Disney the cost of disagreeing with DeSantis’s version of political correctness (No Gays!). You bring up CA not paying for state travel to anti-LGBTQ states. Well how about TX and FL bans on ESG business and investing? The CA policy probably saves taxpayer dollars. The TX ban costs tax payers hundreds of millions of dollars. Which form of political correctness is more harmful?
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What I don’t get is why nutrition and diet became a liberal/conservative thing. Heart attacks, strokes, diabetes seem remarkably ignorant about one’s political persuasions.
One would think that since we are “all doomed”, acting to delay that doom would be a unifying strategy.
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It really has nothing to do directly with liberal conservative. It has to do with being very immature. Then assuming the label. The label does not make the man. Although some ejits wish that was all it took.
Whattabout lab grown meat?
- woke-fake
- woke-real
- not woke, fake
- not woke, real
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Just an illustration on why there is push-back about ‘woke’.
DB2
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What specifically is being infiltrated? The threat to American democracy is coming from the Right, not the Left.
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That’s what the Left says.
The Captain
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